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To find it shocking how brazen people are with their hatred of refugees?

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GreenFairy93 · 20/09/2025 16:11

Another day, another Facebook post calling for the army to be bought in to stop the boats. Another comment section full of people shouting "sink the boats!" "Use as much force as necessary to stop them!"

There are women and children on these boats and people are brazenly calling for force to be used against them and for them to be sunk, with pictures of their faces next to their comments. Not an ounce of shame. And there's hundreds of them.

I just find it absolutely abhorrent and honestly, really upsetting that so many people have dehumanised asylum seekers to the point they have absolutely no compassion in their hearts to the point they are publicly calling for harm to come to families fleeing war.

AIBU to be shocked that people think this is ok now?

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smallpinecone · 21/09/2025 10:29

Blankscreen · 21/09/2025 10:14

As a nation we are fed up. We're allowed to be.

Other countries literally fight to death over their country being invaded but here it happens by stealth and we're meant to just accept it.

If they were true refugees they would stay in the first safe country they got to.

In a migrant hotel near here all the TVs got chucked out and replaced with bigger TVs!! I kid you not.

Bloody Keir Starmer got rid of the Rwanda plan and has nothing to replace it with.

We’re encouraging Ukraine to fight a war to defend its borders and preserve its sovereignty and culture while doing the complete opposite here in Britain. It’s madness.

Absentosaur · 21/09/2025 10:32

I haven’t seen threads or posts where people are calling for the armed forces to ‘blow up’ migrant boats / kill illegal immigrants.

Obviously that’s abhorrent and ridiculous - is anyone actually calling for that to happen?

When people talk about the military protecting borders from illegal immigrants, I think it’s more in a they’ll be an effective deterrent way. Like the Operation Sovereign Borders (OSB) from Australia.

https://osb.homeaffairs.gov.au/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sovereign_Borders

Operation Sovereign Borders - Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sovereign_Borders

PearlCluches · 21/09/2025 10:41

ForgetMeNotRose · 21/09/2025 09:31

You see, I don't agree with this either. The NHS waiting times are atrocious. My little daughter had to wait 2 years for surgery. My husband had to wait over a year while in absolute agony. I have another family member going through the same. The government need to get serious about funding, reforming and rebuilding the NHS. Not engaging with this performative crap about immigration and especially people arriving by small boats, which we all know represent a small number of people in this country.

They still represent thousands of people who get access to NHS treatment a lot faster than you can. You might be happy about that but many are not.

ForgetMeNotRose · 21/09/2025 10:51

@Livelovebehappy if you're interested in the kinds of things I'm talking about, it may be worth googling Brian's Story and The Liberated Method.

I think that public services need to be redesigned to focus on relationships with people, and between services, and between services and the community. We need to focus on listening and learning about what people actually need. Otherwise we have people like Brian bouncing between services, with huge financial implications and ultimately Brian doesn't get the help he actually needs.

This is a problem with the way services are structured and governed, and the way performance is measured. We are delivering services that tick boxes within narrow remits. We are not supporting relationships with people that would lead to their recovery. People don't exist in narrow remits and health is a systemic issue. Many of us are like Brian in some degree, with each of our interactions with public services treated in isolation, when often they are interdependent. See links between issues around fleeing domestic abuse, housing/homelessness, safeguarding, mental and sexual health and child health equity as an example. These issues are often treated separately which is costly, and most importantly not what is needed by the family. Around 80% of determinants for public health also sit outside healthcare services.

When we design public services with and around people, replacing siloed and remit based performance management and governance approaches with human-centred learning and relationships, we can have services that support better lives holistically. This also saves money because we support the broader conditions for health, and people have the healthcare they actually need.

So no it's not about throwing money into an endless pit, there also needs to be change to our public systems including our NHS. Some of this is happening in some places. But I think if there was a greater focus on this kind of reform in public service (including reform to finance and commissioning processes to support them), that would make a big difference. My experience in relational public services has shown this to me, as has my research.

So I think there is a need to shift focus to this kind of reform, rather than accept this as a limited system that is not meeting needs, and just managing numbers.

Reform needs to be about creating systems that work for people. Not making "efficiencies" by cutting funding to siloed services that don't. When services actually meet needs, savings are a natural consequence. When we create the wider conditions for health and see the whole person or family, we also reduce demand. Otherwise we are just managing failure demand and limiting access.

LeonardoDiCaprio · 21/09/2025 10:52

LittleYellowQueen · 21/09/2025 09:41

That's why i was talking about tax EVASION and FRAUD. Is it uncomfortable for you when people talk about how our overlords are fucking us all over? Is that why you keep trying to misrepresent what I'm saying?

I earn in the top income tax bracket in the UK. If I could reduce my tax balance and keep more of my hard earned money I would. Taxes here are way too high anyway.

FrenchFancie · 21/09/2025 10:53

People arriving on small boats accounted for just 4% of new migrants to the IK last year. Asylum seekers make up less than 1% of the population. They are having no appreciable effect on our culture, finances or access to services. I saw a statistic that asylum seekers cost each UK taxpayer £2 per year, whereas tax not being correctly by big corporations costs us each an extra £3,00 per year.

If you want to improve the country, make sure the super wealthy and corporations pay the correct level of tax.

of course, that’s not nearly as interesting and emotive to the big corporations who run the media and social media. Far better to point the finger at the ‘immigrants’ for cheap engagement and rage bait, then point out that tax avoidance is the bigger burden on the country.

why let facts get in the way of engagement?

ForgetMeNotRose · 21/09/2025 10:59

PearlCluches · 21/09/2025 10:41

They still represent thousands of people who get access to NHS treatment a lot faster than you can. You might be happy about that but many are not.

I'm not happy at all about the way the NHS is currently working. I have experienced this in my life in many ways, I've only shared a couple of examples here. There are several others I am currently dealing with that seriously impact my family daily. I just posted a massive thing about this a few comments up. I don't think it is working for anyone. I also don't think asylum seekers are why this isn't working or that they are being prioritised above me.

Absentosaur · 21/09/2025 11:00

Some facts in the presentation attached. No one’s suggesting boats (getting bigger) are the biggest problem. They are part of the problem. Student visas are a much bigger part of the problem. Lack of proportional taxation on big companies like Starbucks google is another problem.

Why aren’t any of these problems being addressed?

UK immigration: What the numbers really show

UK immigration: What the numbers really show

There has been a record number of migrants crossing the Channel in small boats this year with 29,003 having made the journey by 30 August, the most ever at t...

https://youtu.be/zTs3PDEkB2w?si=zGnYm3qPurjF9XOF

LittleYellowQueen · 21/09/2025 11:10

BundleBoogie · 21/09/2025 10:01

What evidence do you have that our tax laws are not being enforced? The government sacking one of their own for tax evasion seemed pretty enforcement-y.

I’m not sure anyone is blaming immigration for ALL our problems, we have plenty already existing - lack of housing, huge pressure on the NHS, huge pressure on schools, a poorly functioning transport system , rising crime etc etc.

The point is that uncontrolled immigration and accommodating thousands and thousands of young men mainly in hotels is not going to help any of this and is likely to make it worse. 111,000 mostly men entered the U.K. as ‘asylum seekers’ in the year to June 2025. Tens of thousands more have entered since then, some of whom have already committed crimes like rape and even murder.

We are spending £6 million PER DAY on accommodating them and the government is finding black hole after black hole in our finances. The recent IHT changes that could decimate farming were projected to cause £2 billion. The same amount that asylum seeker hotels cost us in 2024/25.

None of that is helping our current problems.

As a democratic society we have rights to highlight our concerns with this.

What evidence do i have that tax evasion and fraud isn't being tackled?

£46 billion a year lost. Next question?

PearlCluches · 21/09/2025 11:25

ForgetMeNotRose · 21/09/2025 10:59

I'm not happy at all about the way the NHS is currently working. I have experienced this in my life in many ways, I've only shared a couple of examples here. There are several others I am currently dealing with that seriously impact my family daily. I just posted a massive thing about this a few comments up. I don't think it is working for anyone. I also don't think asylum seekers are why this isn't working or that they are being prioritised above me.

No, but the point is it still IS happening. You as a British national are still in a position where you can’t get the treatment you need and thousands of undocumented migrants get quicker access to health services if they arrived on a boat yesterday.

Shakeoffyourchains · 21/09/2025 11:35

Whatsallthisthen2025 · 20/09/2025 23:20

To find it boring and incomprehensible that virtue signallers point blank refuse to listen to genuine concerns over mass immigration, undocumented migrants and unacceptable vetting standards for ALL races, cultures and colours and instead keep making these futile attempts to call everyone who disagrees with them a racist/fascist/slur of choice all the while sneering sanctimoniously and clutching their pearls.

Your time is over. Even on mumsnet which has always been white saviour "progressive" paradise people have had enough of being shouted down and called vile names for worrying about genuine things.

You already know every single concern people have. They're not going to shut up. Disingenous "confusion" posts are just dreary and pointless at this stage.

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What “genuine” concerns aren’t being listened to?

Net migration has already fallen by almost half in the past year. Visa rules have been tightened, the asylum backlog is being reduced, claims are being processed faster, deportations are rising, legislation is being pushed through to cut hotel/HMO use, and international agreements are being put in place.

So what exactly do you think still isn’t being addressed?

BundleBoogie · 21/09/2025 11:38

Arafina · 21/09/2025 10:22

The problem is that the amount of time and effort that the media and the government spend on the boat problem is disproportionate to the effect it's having on the economy, there are much bigger problems to sort out that will actually make a difference to our living standards but they are smothered with all this immigration noise

That’s your perception. As far as I can see they focus so much on America and Gaza that many other important topics are ignored.

What have you seen about the mass slaughter of Christians in Sudan for example?

Or the refusal of a major UK political party to amend their policies to be in line with the law (and sanity)?

People claiming that too much focus on immigration obscures ‘the real issues’ is just another way of shutting down debate.

Oblomov25 · 21/09/2025 11:40

It's not genuine asylum seekers that people object to.
And it's not boats of women and children. It's uncontrolled 1000's of men coming.

BundleBoogie · 21/09/2025 11:42

FrenchFancie · 21/09/2025 10:53

People arriving on small boats accounted for just 4% of new migrants to the IK last year. Asylum seekers make up less than 1% of the population. They are having no appreciable effect on our culture, finances or access to services. I saw a statistic that asylum seekers cost each UK taxpayer £2 per year, whereas tax not being correctly by big corporations costs us each an extra £3,00 per year.

If you want to improve the country, make sure the super wealthy and corporations pay the correct level of tax.

of course, that’s not nearly as interesting and emotive to the big corporations who run the media and social media. Far better to point the finger at the ‘immigrants’ for cheap engagement and rage bait, then point out that tax avoidance is the bigger burden on the country.

why let facts get in the way of engagement?

£2 billion a year is spent on housing asylum seekers in hotels and catering for them. That may or may not include the private medical care they often receive and additional policing due to harassment of children near schools etc.

TruckDiver · 21/09/2025 11:47

Pigeonpoodle · 21/09/2025 00:21

Net migration has exceeded 2 million since 2021. That’s 2 million + extra people who need houses, schools, doctors etc. That’s not “controlled” immigration.

Yes it is, because it's falling. Net migration in 2024 was about half that of 2023. If the UK really is such a magnet to everyone from poorer countries seeking to make a buck, why would it be coming down without someone exerting control over it?

SisterMargaretta · 21/09/2025 11:49

Oblomov25 · 21/09/2025 11:40

It's not genuine asylum seekers that people object to.
And it's not boats of women and children. It's uncontrolled 1000's of men coming.

Anyone on the boats can apply for asylum if they feel they are leaving a place where they are in danger. Their claim then needs to be processed to judge whether they meet the criteria to receive asylum. They then mist be accommodated during the application process.

Therefore, someone who is housed in accommodation for asylum seekers is here legally. They would be here illegally if 1) They didn't file a claim for asylum, in which case they would either be immediately deported for not having the correct visa, or they would be here unknown to the government and not eligible for any state support or 2) if their asylum claim was rejected, at which point they would be deported.

Anyone living in accommodation for asylum seekers is there while their legal claim is processed. I live in a town with asylum-seeker accommodation in it and I'm fed up of clueless idiots constantly banging on about "illegals". Anyone here illegally would not be housed in this accommodation!

TruckDiver · 21/09/2025 11:50

Livelovebehappy · 21/09/2025 00:23

If its made up why is Starmer desperately trying to sort it out? Why is there a majority of people in the UK concerned about it? Are they all wrong?

If its made up why is Starmer desperately trying to sort it out?

To get reelected.

Why is there a majority of people in the UK concerned about it? Are they all wrong?

Yes.

What's so unusual about a majority of people being wrong about something?

CicerosHead · 21/09/2025 11:55

I've seen the comments. And I've seen lots of nice and supportive comments to Ukrainian refugees, should they ask something on facebook. I wonder why that is.

Maybe because Ukrainian refugees are women and children who fled an ACTUAL war, leaving their fathers, brothers, husbands to fight for their country?

Also, because they're similar to the local population and don't push their barbaric fanatical religion and all the 'cultural' norms that stems from it.

You know, one persons nice exotic restaurants and 'multicultural enrichment' is another persons bunches of young men loitering around street corners, leering and hassling local schoolgirls, catcalls, open disdain towards them, grooming and rapes.

Clavinova · 21/09/2025 11:55

FrenchFancie
I saw a statistic that asylum seekers cost each UK taxpayer £2 per year

That claim is challenged in this article - 'based on simple division, asylum support would cost £125.67 per year per taxpayer if housing costs are included'

https://theferret.scot/claim-costs-asylum-benefit-fraud-tax-mostly-false/

Goldenbear · 21/09/2025 12:05

Yes exactly, the 14 years of austerity has caused so much long term damage to the economy. Child poverty between 1999 and 2007-08 had fallen in absolute terms by 50 % and median incomes in Britain also rose roughly 50 %.the Tories came along with their feverish Victorian values and undid all that good work with, 'Austerity'.

That undoing is why we are in this political turmoil and why immigrants are being blamed. Reform have their overly simplistic answers to problems brought about by the Conservatives policy of austerity.

Wake up people, you are being had (again)!

babyproblems · 21/09/2025 12:06

YANBU @GreenFairy93

Goldenbear · 21/09/2025 12:15

LeonardoDiCaprio · 21/09/2025 10:52

I earn in the top income tax bracket in the UK. If I could reduce my tax balance and keep more of my hard earned money I would. Taxes here are way too high anyway.

Hilarious and not true:

https://nomadcapitalist.com/finance/low-tax-countries-living-europe/

12 European Countries with the Lowest Taxes: 2025 Tax Guide

We explore the European countries with the lowest taxes where you can live well for less while maximising your lifestyle and financial freedom.

https://nomadcapitalist.com/finance/low-tax-countries-living-europe

LeonardoDiCaprio · 21/09/2025 12:17

CicerosHead · 21/09/2025 11:55

I've seen the comments. And I've seen lots of nice and supportive comments to Ukrainian refugees, should they ask something on facebook. I wonder why that is.

Maybe because Ukrainian refugees are women and children who fled an ACTUAL war, leaving their fathers, brothers, husbands to fight for their country?

Also, because they're similar to the local population and don't push their barbaric fanatical religion and all the 'cultural' norms that stems from it.

You know, one persons nice exotic restaurants and 'multicultural enrichment' is another persons bunches of young men loitering around street corners, leering and hassling local schoolgirls, catcalls, open disdain towards them, grooming and rapes.

I don't understand why people don't see this and just ignore the damage multiculturalism and lack of integration has brought us.

Clavinova · 21/09/2025 12:17

SisterMargaretta
I'm fed up of clueless idiots constantly banging on about "illegals"

Indeed -

Keir Starmer
@ Keir_Starmer
We have detained the first illegal migrants under our new deal before returning them to France...

TruckDiver · 21/09/2025 12:21

OK here's a question:

Net migration peaked at 860,000 in 2023, before falling by almost half to 431,000 in 2024.

https://fullfact.org/immigration/net-migration-to-the-uk/

Did people notice a reversal of the cost of living crisis by the end of 2024? Did the NHS suddenly get better, due to the massive ease on pressure? Did it become quicker to move up social housing waiting lists? Did everyone rejoice at how much more positive life looked on Christmas day 2024 compared to 2023?

If not, why not, when the thing that was apparently causing all these problems got a whopping 50% better?

And if halving it had no effect at all on your problems (or possibly a negative effect, as they've continued to get worse) then what makes you think that halving it again, then again and again, until it can be reduced to near 0 will somehow be the magic bullet that it wasn't?

How many migrants come to the UK? – Full Fact

A guide to understanding migration trends and the statistics behind one of the most debated topics in UK politics.

https://fullfact.org/immigration/net-migration-to-the-uk/