To find it shocking how brazen people are with their hatred of refugees?

[GreenFairy93]

Another day, another Facebook post calling for the army to be bought in to stop the boats. Another comment section full of people shouting "sink the boats!" "Use as much force as necessary to stop them!"

There are women and children on these boats and people are brazenly calling for force to be used against them and for them to be sunk, with pictures of their faces next to their comments. Not an ounce of shame. And there's hundreds of them.

I just find it absolutely abhorrent and honestly, really upsetting that so many people have dehumanised asylum seekers to the point they have absolutely no compassion in their hearts to the point they are publicly calling for harm to come to families fleeing war.

AIBU to be shocked that people think this is ok now?

The country can choose porous borders or a social safety net. We can’t have both. If you want people to have a decent quality of life when disabled or retired we can’t keep on with how we are currently.

The UK has the largest undocumented population in Europe of c 1m people.

Sitting back and allowing anyone who pays a smuggler access to the country is a massive gamble on the fabric of society.

How many refugees have you got staying in your house then op? Or do you just expect others to take the hit?

Missed the point haven't you.

Do you think it's acceptable that asylum seekers have been dehumanised to the point it's socially acceptable for people to call for them being drowned by the army and treated with as much force is necessary to get rid of them?

That's what I am upset about. Not the endless debate over whether it is a good thing that asylum seekers are here or not.

Very mature 🙄

Why do they need to be specifically in my house? The elderly, disabled and orphaned don't all live in my house either but I expect the government to take care of themselves people with the taxes I pay. Do you hate the elderly and disabled because you don't let them all live in your house?

Now you've got that silly sound but out of your system, back to the actual point. Do you think it's acceptable for people to be publicly calling for the use of military force to sink and drown asylum seekers? Do you think that is an acceptable way to behave towards any human being?

The reason there is so much vitriol is because British nationals are tired of being sidelined. Thousands of undocumented men crossing the Channel who lie about their age, lie about their country of origin, lie about their reasons for asylum and have contributed nothing to the economy are being prioritised above British nationals. None of these men are coming over here on boats to pursue careers as Drs. They are coming here purely for economic benefit. They are not subject to the same waiting lists you or I have to join for NHS treatment and can access it far faster without the long waits. Likewise when they are given leave to remain, many of whom did so based on lies which cannot be proven like homosexually and converting to Christianity will again be prioritised above British citizens for social housing. Thousands of undocumented men with no ties to the UK are blatantly abusing the asylum system for economic gain. For people who do have ties on the UK there are legal means to enter the country. They are not fleeing war in France but choose not to claim asylum there because they know they will not be prioritised above French nationals. Just one example, recently a woman from Georgia who has leave to remain in the UK turned up at Canary Wharf with her baby in a pram to visit her son who arrived on a boat that week. You're telling me someone who has a mother and sibling with leave to remain in the UK cannot enter the country legally and claim asylum but can pay an imaginary people smuggler thousands of pounds to get on a rubber dinghy instead? Give over. We are being taken for absolute mugs! The reason thousands of undocumented men are entering the country illegally and lying about their age, origin and reason to gain asylum is because they know they can get away with it. Nothing more, nothing less.

We take less than most other countries allowing for our size.

I think you're missing the point a bit, of course not everyone that wants a better immigration system is racist but the people who are organising this movement very definitely are and they are using ordinary citizens legitimate concern about the state of the country to whip up resentment to immigrants, do you not see it? All the laughing emojis when someone, even a child drowns in the channel or if the police report a black or Asian person missing all the not funny comments they make, they have a platform now and it's sickening how confident they feel about spreading their hate

Yes. Apparently Isis are issuing edicts to their followers to kill Christians and Jews here, to break into our houses or take vehicles and kill us.

Islamic terrorists are already taking up 75% of the workload of MI5 /6 and we are proposing to send large chunks of our army abroad.

At present, approximately 1000 undocumented men are crossing the channel PER DAY - what are the chances of there being some terrorists and Isis followers in those groups.

How many hotels per day are now closing down to accommodate these numbers?

Actually, no. The ripple effect from high London prices means people who are pushed out of London buy in commuter towns. So those who would have lived there now can’t afford to and so move out, making those areas also more expensive.

Investors then start looking to places like Manchester and Birmingham and so on, increasing prices there, affecting local and commuter towns prices too.

This is besides the point, but you can’t resent “migrants” without also resenting the 27% per cent of London properties that are bought as an investment from someone who lives outside of the UK - often not paying tax duty on them. They’re required to, but they openly use loopholes to get away with it.

m.economictimes.com/nri/invest/is-london-real-estate-being-used-as-a-tax-haven-by-the-global-elite/amp_articleshow/112826438.cms

Dsis was doing supply teaching in a school in Kent. Some of her yr 11 class were clearly way over 15/16 years and obviously to anyone that they were 25 at least. They were flirting with the girls and making lewd signs at dsis.

She reported to her hod as a safeguarding matter who said it was not her business so she found the safeguarding lead who said they’d been told to say nothing.

So here is an absolutely true example of what goes on.

In the last day or so, I've seen the same posters who are on this thread here suggest here and on other threads that people arriving by small boats are unskilled, uneducated, fake homosexual, criminal, fraudulent economic migrant Muslim cancer. I've tried to engage with each of these "concerns" but the answer is overwhelmingly to take another tact. If what you want to be wrong isn't what is wrong, make up something else you want to be wrong.

Same people dismissing the role of property hoarding by the wealthy as a driver for economic crisis.

Same people reinforcing stereotypes about which groups of people think what and why - stereotypes I neither use nor recognise.

I'm all for debating genuine concerns but those concerns would need to be something other than "I don't like them and if the reason I'm saying I don't like them is disproven, I'll make up another one, ad infinitum".

Look, I’m sure some are very decent fellows, others not so much. I can’t blame a person for trying for a better life.

BUT in my opinion - and that of quite a few others, there is a point when the population - particularly of net takers - is too large.

Let’s take a theme park, for example. Nice summer’s day, many many people turn up. At a certain point it closes to new arrivals. It is simply full - it is not just unsafe to have too many people there, it is uncomfortable and their experience begins to be unpleasant.

However, I think there are some vociferous posters who are very much for this Labour MP’s views:

Passing through multiple multiple safe countries on their way here. It's asylum shopping.

It's been my belief that these people honestly should stay in their home countries and fight for a better tomorrow. If England was attacked by an evil power you'd expect people here to defend tk defend England.

You see, I don't agree with this either. The NHS waiting times are atrocious. My little daughter had to wait 2 years for surgery. My husband had to wait over a year while in absolute agony. I have another family member going through the same. The government need to get serious about funding, reforming and rebuilding the NHS. Not engaging with this performative crap about immigration and especially people arriving by small boats, which we all know represent a small number of people in this country.

That's why i was talking about tax EVASION and FRAUD. Is it uncomfortable for you when people talk about how our overlords are fucking us all over? Is that why you keep trying to misrepresent what I'm saying?

What I'm saying is these are deep, systemic issues. Ones the government really needs to engage with. The concerns about immigration are driven by this scarcity mindset (the actual concerns, not the made up ones I mentioned above). That scarecity is contrived. This is another reason why I find the conversation about immigration frustrating - while the government push this narrative they are not engaging with the changes that might actually support our well-being and dignity in this country.

Obviously not, because we lose 46 billion quid a year because those laws aren't being enforced.

But let's keep blaming immigration for all our problems, eh?

What evidence do you have that our tax laws are not being enforced? The government sacking one of their own for tax evasion seemed pretty enforcement-y.

I’m not sure anyone is blaming immigration for ALL our problems, we have plenty already existing - lack of housing, huge pressure on the NHS, huge pressure on schools, a poorly functioning transport system , rising crime etc etc.

The point is that uncontrolled immigration and accommodating thousands and thousands of young men mainly in hotels is not going to help any of this and is likely to make it worse. 111,000 mostly men entered the U.K. as ‘asylum seekers’ in the year to June 2025. Tens of thousands more have entered since then, some of whom have already committed crimes like rape and even murder.

We are spending £6 million PER DAY on accommodating them and the government is finding black hole after black hole in our finances. The recent IHT changes that could decimate farming were projected to cause £2 billion. The same amount that asylum seeker hotels cost us in 2024/25.

None of that is helping our current problems.

As a democratic society we have rights to highlight our concerns with this.

NHS is just a money pit. Doesn't matter how much money is thrown at it, it just doesn't work as it should. That's largely down to numbers using it. We can't keep up with building onto it without huge tax rises, which just isn't appropriate or doable atm.

Not causing danger to human life but definitely stopping them from getting on the boats. Deploying the army to France and heavily patrol the departing points.

As a nation we are fed up. We're allowed to be.

Other countries literally fight to death over their country being invaded but here it happens by stealth and we're meant to just accept it.

If they were true refugees they would stay in the first safe country they got to.

In a migrant hotel near here all the TVs got chucked out and replaced with bigger TVs!! I kid you not.

Bloody Keir Starmer got rid of the Rwanda plan and has nothing to replace it with.

It’s because they are men, no women or children, in cities you see them leaving the hotels and dirtying themselves up to sit and beg just after having their free breakfast.

I'm quite interested in public service reform, systems thinking and governance/service design. In my opinion I think that the NHS could be massively improved if we changed the way it was managed and governed. At the moment there is a strong focus on New Public Management performance-driven approaches, which tend to miss the relationships between different things people are experiencing and shift the focus to tick boxing rather than seeing the whole person. My phone is about to die but I have some ideas about how this could be improved

The problem is that the amount of time and effort that the media and the government spend on the boat problem is disproportionate to the effect it's having on the economy, there are much bigger problems to sort out that will actually make a difference to our living standards but they are smothered with all this immigration noise

But they are unskilled, uneducated, often criminal economic migrants. It’s the truth. If you don’t accept that, there’s no discussion to be had. If there’s no basic agreement on the problem at hand, no amount of discussion will lead to a solution.