To find it shocking how brazen people are with their hatred of refugees?

[GreenFairy93]

Another day, another Facebook post calling for the army to be bought in to stop the boats. Another comment section full of people shouting "sink the boats!" "Use as much force as necessary to stop them!"

There are women and children on these boats and people are brazenly calling for force to be used against them and for them to be sunk, with pictures of their faces next to their comments. Not an ounce of shame. And there's hundreds of them.

I just find it absolutely abhorrent and honestly, really upsetting that so many people have dehumanised asylum seekers to the point they have absolutely no compassion in their hearts to the point they are publicly calling for harm to come to families fleeing war.

AIBU to be shocked that people think this is ok now?

There are laws against tax evasion and fraud and HMRC take them very seriously, as Angela Rayner found out to her cost.

The top 1% earn like 13% of the UK's income and pay 29% of the UK's taxes. Legal tax avoidance is fine. I'd do it too if I could. Tax evasion is something else.

Totally agree. And the same people have no answer to how it's resolved. They kind of want open borders without actually verbalising it. We can't discuss a way forward with cooperation from our European counterparts because we're no longer in the EU. We can't do anything independently to create a legal asylum process as it would cost billions to implement and probably years to put into practice. It's all such a mess and currently anything the government are trying to do is ineffective.

We can discuss and work with the EU 27 without being in the EU

We can, but they don’t have to work with us like they would if we were in the EU. It would just be based on goodwill I’m afraid.

Ah those jobs that Brits wont do again Im assuming you are referring to things like fruit picking? Which is mostly live in work on site You do know that when ppl rent social housing you are actually supposed to live in it right? .And that there are rules about how much time you can live away.
Because i live in social housing i have to have checks and surveys done which means i have to be here to let them in. Gas safety checks Electrical check. Visits from housing officer. Isolater fitted (this was with no notice) And our estate got its THIRD set of new fire resistant front doors this year which we had to be home to facilitate

When ppl keep having a go that "Brits wont fruit pick" we know damn well its not those that live in a naice house in Chiswick that they are aiming this at.Or themselves come to that. Its the people on low incomes who live in SH who have to do as the housing association tells them.
And yet the SAME nosy parkers would be the first to report if a flat was standing empty for a while saying that the flat must have been abandoned.
You want them to be able to live away fruit picking? Then start demanding more rights for SH tenants.
Ah but we all know that wont happen because that would mean tenants would get the right to live away for any reason.
Which would create even more jealousy and comments about "free" homes.
Cant have it both ways.

I am not confused at all. I know who you are. And I know what this will lead to.

But they’re really not. And even if by some remote chance all 110000 of them were racist, that’s just 0.1% of the entire population. Many people share the sentiment of having uncontrolled immigration concerns, but did not, and would not, attend the protest because of the association with the organising of the march by TR. Had the protest been organised by anyone other than TR, it would probably have attracted far more people. Because, whatever you might think, most people against uncontrolled immigration are not racist, and in fact it’s a concern shared by many races in the UK, not just white British.

There isn't uncontrolled immigration. That's just made up shite.

Net migration has exceeded 2 million since 2021. That’s 2 million + extra people who need houses, schools, doctors etc. That’s not “controlled” immigration.

If its made up why is Starmer desperately trying to sort it out? Why is there a majority of people in the UK concerned about it? Are they all wrong?

Who's to say that none of these migrants are the hatred spewing kind?
Have we any idea who they are? If they are dangerous? If a lot of them are coming from countries where Christians are being persecuted and slaughtered is it a good idea or a good fit to allow them to pour into a Christian majority country? What are their views on women?
Like you would swear a lot on this thread think its only perfect saints crossing the channel, and yet talking so negatively about people with perfectly reasonable fears and concerns like they're the worst people in the world.

What, none of them are villains, or opportunists? All saints? And you know this how?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5JQW8DIrskE

Better this is 'done to death' than people are drowned to death.

Sinking those boats will never be a solution, and I don't just mean because it's despicable on a human level, but because the manipulators who stir up an angry mob will not stop there. They thrive on hate and division. They need it like we need air to breathe. Once the boats stop, they'll find other people to kill. Human history is littered with that shit. And once the hate grows to an industrial scale, the last stop is always genocide.

I find this argument very strange.

You say the billionaires are hogging the resources. They are certainly not taking up things like places in state schools, GP appointments or contributing in any significant way to the massive amount of traffic on our roads. Billionaires are pretty much irrelevant to the migrant argument.

Nobody should be coming here on small, illegal boats. They are coming from France, which is a safe country. In fact, France has a similar population to us, but approx double the land. The UK is on its knees. It’s very hard to get a GP appointment, it’s stressful and difficult to get a good school place, our roads and public transport are busy, our A&E departments have people being treated on corridor floors (or dying there). Reeves is going on about black hole after black hole. We are in crisis and we should not accept any illegal immigrants at all for this reason. We are in no position to help them. We have people living on our streets - thousands and thousands - we have people in overcrowded, horrible accommodation. Taking more (who need help) is just insanity. We certainly need immigrants, but we need net contributors who are going to help us out of the shit, not sink us further into it (although why such a person would actually want to migrate here to this shithole is beyond me).

It generally has nothing to do with racism or xenophobia. I appreciate that there are some racists - but that does not apply to the majority of the people that want the boats stopped. I want them stopped for practical reasons, not because of the colour of anyone’s skin.

I think the talk of firing guns in the path of the boats has arisen because the government is so fucking useless at tackling this problem and people are angry. Labour have just let it get worse and worse and worse - and ironically, the migrant problem itself is not one of our most serious issues right now

• but Starmer’s lack of action is actually causing it to become one of our most serious problems - not though the actual problems with migrants themselves, but through the division and civil unrest caused as a result of his uselessness.

Also it’s very easy to say that you want to help these migrants. But who is actively and practically giving this help and who is it impacting seriously? Not you. You aren’t giving them bed and board and you presumably aren’t one of the people living near large migrant hotels whose women and girls can’t go out without getting leered out and who can’t sell their houses.

This is the real problem that’s being ignored. And it’s so easy to ignore if you’re not the one being impacted by it. The percentage of the UK population being affected in this way is so small that the government can get away with fucking them over.

All these people who think we should welcome boat loads of people every day should be made to live in streets like this and actually see the real impact.

I am sorry to hear that.
I take it there is no point speaking to your MP.

Well yes. Literally

Some things though are so shocking that they deserve to be mentioned several times.

They are not desperate - because they came from France. People don’t flee France in desperation.

Seeking refuge isn’t illegal no matter how you enter the country
Economic migrants have visas so aren’t illegal

I agree. I also have noticed that on my local area, if anyone posts about any kind of problem, lots of people link it to small boats.

Eg I've been waiting 5 years for a council house - you'll get replies saying get on a small boat in France and you'll get one tomorrow

Or: I've had somebody knocking on my door offering to fix my roof. I think he may have been a scammer. People will reply with "he came to my house too. He had a thick foreign accent and seemed shifty. I'm sure he must be an illegal immigrant."

If they're that pissed off by it they should move.

Some people have got on their boats and moved thousands of miles away for a better life. It's obviously not that hard. Just fucking leave if you don't like it.
Piece of piss innit?

Yes. People who have a perfect right to speak up about genuine concerns for their own country have been slurred and denigrated into terrified silence for too long.

But that's over now. Even on this site which overall truly loathes the working class, majority opinions and anyone who dares worry about uncontrolled immigration, immigrant vetting and undocumented immigrants completely regardless of their colour, race or ehnicity - even here, people are finally feeling they must air their genuine and valid concerns.