To find it shocking how brazen people are with their hatred of refugees?

[GreenFairy93]

Another day, another Facebook post calling for the army to be bought in to stop the boats. Another comment section full of people shouting "sink the boats!" "Use as much force as necessary to stop them!"

There are women and children on these boats and people are brazenly calling for force to be used against them and for them to be sunk, with pictures of their faces next to their comments. Not an ounce of shame. And there's hundreds of them.

I just find it absolutely abhorrent and honestly, really upsetting that so many people have dehumanised asylum seekers to the point they have absolutely no compassion in their hearts to the point they are publicly calling for harm to come to families fleeing war.

AIBU to be shocked that people think this is ok now?

The whole concept of asylum seeking has been hugely undermined by legal visa overstayers claiming asylum.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/crackdown-on-legal-visa-abuse-stems-surge-in-asylum-claims

I think they’re more traits, not values. Nonetheless, it’s part of our cultural identity.

Fairness and tolerance has went right out the window of late unfortunately.

I live in a street where Serco has placed some of these people into houses/HMOs. Let me tell you, it’s pure hell.
I have never been so depressed and frightened in my life, and the best part? Nobody can sell because our houses prices have dropped significantly, and if we get viewers they don’t want to live here.

Exactly, we're in a really bad situation now purely because they are able to reach much further, you can't go on any type of media atm without immigration popping up or being brought into a conversation, it's not surprising that people believe it's the cause of all our problems, brainwashing on a massive scale

It's truly horrible, but as the vote shows, sadly we are living in intolerant and hateful times. Just like 1930s Europe I am afraid. People are more and more emboldened to think that hate and intolerance and racism are normal. What I fear is that only something like the terrible outcome of WW2 will make people realise that hatred has appalling costs for everyone.

There’s generally no issue with, say, a Canadian coming to the UK - whatever their skin colour - if they bring Canadian values, which are similar to UK values.

No one is arguing no other culture shares any British values, and that these values are somehow unique to the UK. That’s a daft straw man.

However, some cultures just do not share many of our core values. That’s just a fact. Pretending that’s not the case doesn’t mean it isn’t.

But not all tax evasion is committed by the super wealthy. You can’t really excuse tax evasion by someone earning less money. Tax evasion is tax evasion, whatever your income. Do you think the percentage of tax paid by the super wealthy, ie the top 1%, is enough?

exactly. Also most of what they say is nonsense. I can’t believe the stuff the express and mail print just to get clicks, the comments on the articles make me feel so sad, the irony is they don’t see how it’s any different to nazism and their treatment of Jews

I don’t think that the majority of the UK are as racist as you presume they are. And definitely not on the same level as Europe 1930s. I think the UK are probably one of the most tolerant countries in the world, hence it getting to this stage before people are voicing concerns. You only have to look at the recent protests to see that the turnout was pretty low - 110k people in comparison to our 70million population. And only a small fraction of those 110k would be considered racist, if you actually listened to what they were trying to say.

I'm sorry, but to me your response is apolgism. The people marching are every bit as racist as I think they are.

As we have more then enough home grown rapists - ehh would we want to import more?

I’m sure the girls who have suffered harm at the hands of immigrant sex offenders would rather those men hadn’t been here and not been able to hurt them.

It’s not racist, inflammatory or insular to say that we should be able to control our borders and do our best to keep out criminals. Obviously not all asylum seekers are criminals but some clearly are - we don’t want them.

Where did i say that we should ONLY look at the super wealthy?

They're the ones hoarding most of the country's wealth, so we should start there for the largest amount of money to be recovered in the quickest time. But anyone who is committing fraud and tax evasion should be held to account.

before we look at raising tax on the super rich, we should plug the 46 billion pound gap on the current tax rates we already have.

Common sense, isn't it?

It is not viable because of the unfair share a wealth, with the 1% at the top hogging most of the wealth, often owning much more than entire countries.

So, I'm curious, are we also turning away US-born legal migrants? Because on the basis of your argument we ban anyone who commits crimes and isn't British. Remember that white Americam diplomat woman who killed the young man in a hit and run and drove off. And what about the people (British) taking drugs overseas. Should all Brits be banned from visiting? It gets confusing, doesn't it?

But the actual statistics show that refugees are more likely to be unemployed than those born in the UK. Far fewer people in the UK would have an issue with migrants and refugees if they were financial contributors.

But they are not given the right to work, though.

Refugees have the right (you might argue, the obligation) to work. You’re confusing them with asylum seekers.

To find it boring and incomprehensible that virtue signallers point blank refuse to listen to genuine concerns over mass immigration, undocumented migrants and unacceptable vetting standards for ALL races, cultures and colours and instead keep making these futile attempts to call everyone who disagrees with them a racist/fascist/slur of choice all the while sneering sanctimoniously and clutching their pearls.

Your time is over. Even on mumsnet which has always been white saviour "progressive" paradise people have had enough of being shouted down and called vile names for worrying about genuine things.

You already know every single concern people have. They're not going to shut up. Disingenous "confusion" posts are just dreary and pointless at this stage.

I'm so sorry for you.

Yes high earners already pay enough and take enough of the burden already.

They're not allowed to work until their claim has been processed. So it's no surprise that figures show that refugees are more likely to be unemployed.

Fair enough, thank you for correcting me.

Even the ones who are evading and defrauding tax? Because that's who are being discussed.

How is it confusing?

I think you’ll find that Anne Sacoolas was given a prison sentence which she will serve if she ever sets foot in this country.

We can’t ’ban (British) people’ for taking drugs overseas - they are British 🤷‍♀️

The US and many other countries have such stringent immigration controls relating to crime that there was a question mark over whether Prince Harry would get a US visa because of his alleged drug use. We should too.

Generally I don’t think we should allow in criminals and should proceed with great caution over taking in large numbers of men from countries where women have fewer rights than animals. Particularly those countries where the men claim they didn’t know that rape was illegal in this country as their defence.

I hope I have cleared up your ‘confusion’.