To find it shocking how brazen people are with their hatred of refugees?

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Another day, another Facebook post calling for the army to be bought in to stop the boats. Another comment section full of people shouting "sink the boats!" "Use as much force as necessary to stop them!"

There are women and children on these boats and people are brazenly calling for force to be used against them and for them to be sunk, with pictures of their faces next to their comments. Not an ounce of shame. And there's hundreds of them.

I just find it absolutely abhorrent and honestly, really upsetting that so many people have dehumanised asylum seekers to the point they have absolutely no compassion in their hearts to the point they are publicly calling for harm to come to families fleeing war.

AIBU to be shocked that people think this is ok now?

Certain rural and island places which will no doubt be very unfamiliar.

I actually think processing asylum seekers in France is a good idea. I recall that being suggested by France during the Tory government, but we declined.

We received more returns under Dublin III than we removed.

It's not getting significantly poorer because of them either.

It's getting poorer because we lose billions in tax evasion and fraud and the top few % of the wealthiest people are stepping on the rest of us to get richer and richer, while using the media outlets they own to persuade us that the poorest people in society are the great big scary threat to our precarious standard of living so we don't actually look at where our money goes. Where did all those billions go during covid on unusable gear? Why's the NHS fucked? Why are schools failing up and down the country?

It honestly confuses me that people don't see it.

Let's not forget the idiotic self harm of leaving the EU, and the scar that gouged in our labour market and productivity.

Some British values are quite obviously superior to those of other cultures. I assume you don’t believe FGM is an especially good cultural practice you’d be happy to tolerate?

Theres enough resources in the world to support everyone. It means the ludicrously well off need to manage with less - that includes a large proportion of people in western economies with two cars and foreign holidays...

Itll be intersting to see what happens when UK citizens are the ones seeking assylum in other countries - i wonder how long other peoples memories will last....

Studies don’t support your view. A low-skill migrant will be a net drain economically.

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/the-fiscal-impact-of-immigration-in-the-uk/

That's hardly a uniquely British value, though. Why are British values superior to those of Finland, or Canada, or Slovenia?

So as you don't want to do British culture maybe you can define British values? What are they and what makes them British?

Did they say they were superior to France, Canada or Slovenia?

No, this is a huge problem. Knightsbridge is a good example, as are places like Fulham. Lots of property bought up as investments that sit empty. This of course has a knock on effect on the housing market. There are fewer properties available to people who actually want to live in them. Houses get more expensive. Fewer people can afford to buy. Then greater competition in the Private Rented Sector. Landlords charge higher rents above what most can afford. People move out of the area, driving up prices in other areas. And without much social housing, many people can't find affordable rent and become homeless. Of course, welfare reform has a big role to play there, too. But there is a massive homelessness crisis. Some local authorities have so many people in temporary accommodation they are now putting up people in hotels. But they try not to as it's hugely expensive, and frankly unsuitable. Much of that money from temporary accommodation or commercial hotels goes back into the private market. Councils are facing financial ruin because of this.

If this did come to pass, I seriously doubt that many would be seeking asylum in countries thousands of miles away, with wildly different cultures and religions, much less going there and expecting those cultures to welcome their changes and give up their own cultural norms to accommodate the Brits. I cant imagine UAE building churches, creating pig farms, or opening a pub in every town so we could feel more comfortable.

I think there's a thing with western values.

As the saying goes "import the 3rd world. Become the 3rd world".

They didn't mention any British values, either. Just a general human one.

But whilst we might lose money to tax evaders (not all super wealthy btw, but many self employed and smaller businesses too) we also get a lot of money from the wealthy who do pay their taxes. As unpalatable as it is to some people, the upper tax payers contribute many millions to the keep the economy afloat. If we replace the wealthy with unskilled workers, then we lose businesses which employ the unskilled, and the country would quickly become a third world one.

That doesn’t answer my question.

So if wealthy immigrants buying property is a huge problem, how are poor immigrants requiring taxpayer support for housing (and everything else) NOT a problem?

We don't have the Dublin agreement anymore because of Brexit but apparently Boris Johnson was offered by the French to set up a processing centre there but he declined so there obviously is a way round it, they just don't want to do it

Just because a particular value is part of British culture does not mean it belongs to them exclusively. It's just one thing that describes them.

I think some British values are: Fairness, stoicism, tolerance, Dark Humour, self deprecation

... We could have £46 billion more. Forty six billion pounds. A year. Not over the last 10 years, or 20 years. Every single year, we are being robbed, but not by asylum seekers. That could build 150 hospitals, or 3000 schools, or the salaries of 1.5 million nurses.

We need to stop doffing our caps at the super rich and start demanding that they pay the taxes they are supposed to pay, and pursue tax fraud instead of shrugging and saying "well, they pay a bit" and going back to shouting at asylum seekers in hotels.

France approves around 30% of claims. No wonder Macron called us a soft touch.

Yes, I do believe that core British values i outlined in an earlier post (democracy, rule
of law, tolerance, women’s rights, freedom on expression) are superior to, say, the values of Taliban culture in Afghanistan.

I have absolutely no qualms in saying that, and I will defend those values. I feel indebted to my grandparents generation for believing the same, and standing up to support those values against the threat of Nazi Germany and its fascist and racist culture.

I cannot and will not support the cultural relativism that supposes that all cultures and their values are basically equivalent. They are not… And those who believe otherwise, and it’s generally those on the Left, are a threat to our society. Thankfully, I believe most Britons have woken up to this and are starting to fight back.

Canada is a daughter of Britain, as you know.

The hoarding of wealth and property is the problem. You didn't seem to get the knock on effect. I didn't say anything about immigration. You could see these houses as the some of the cookie jars.