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To find it shocking how brazen people are with their hatred of refugees?

675 replies

GreenFairy93 · 20/09/2025 16:11

Another day, another Facebook post calling for the army to be bought in to stop the boats. Another comment section full of people shouting "sink the boats!" "Use as much force as necessary to stop them!"

There are women and children on these boats and people are brazenly calling for force to be used against them and for them to be sunk, with pictures of their faces next to their comments. Not an ounce of shame. And there's hundreds of them.

I just find it absolutely abhorrent and honestly, really upsetting that so many people have dehumanised asylum seekers to the point they have absolutely no compassion in their hearts to the point they are publicly calling for harm to come to families fleeing war.

AIBU to be shocked that people think this is ok now?

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TheExcitersblowingupmymind · 20/09/2025 21:27

The Specials recorded a song called..Why
Over 45 years ago how sad it still resonates today.
We don't need no National Front
British movement
Or the Ku Klux klan
It makes me an angry man
You're proud of your white skin
I'm proud of my black
I just want to live in peace
Why can't you be the same
With a Nazi salute and a steel cap boot
You follow like sheep in a wolves clothes.. etc.
The organisations names change but depressingly..the message is always the same.

HereAreYourOptions · 20/09/2025 21:28

Flo78 · 20/09/2025 18:20

Okay so you’re a human person right? And let’s say you can’t work in your country so you’re hungry, you can’t get healthcare, there’s no real hope. But there are opportunities somewhere else. You have to risk your life to get there, but it’s hopeless where you are. Many around you won’t. But you think: I can’t stay this way. I have to try. This is my one life.

So you risk your life to get somewhere. You are met with angry racists at every turn. You just want to work and create a better life for your own children.

Plus where I live, it ain’t white British people who want to be deliveroo drivers or cleaners or even builders or care workers. When immigration is “cracked down on”, the white British aren’t clambering for those jobs and those jobs aren’t filled.

They’re not stealing YOUR cookie, PP. They’re earning the cookie you’re not interested in doing the hard and often unpleasant labour to get.

Or maybe those ‘white British’ just arent willing to do it at the rates that employers are willing to offer because they know they can find someone just a little more desperate who will do it for less and, bonus, with less experience or expectations of pesky things like labour rights.

Nothing like flooding the labour market to keep wages down.

Goldenbear · 20/09/2025 21:32

smallpinecone · 20/09/2025 20:33

I gave some reasons why some might be in favour of mass immigration, and reasons why others might be against. I didn’t mention my own circumstances, which are in any case irrelevant to the points made. I don’t know why you’re insisting on trying to make this personal.

You literally wrote; " smallpinecone · Today 19:26
Why are you directing this at me?
I don’t feel poverty or discomfort."

Are you not referring to yourself when you say "I don't feel" my apologies if not it's just that 'I' is used as 'first person' pronoun in the English language.

Goldenbear · 20/09/2025 21:34

smallpinecone · 20/09/2025 20:34

Or maybe I’m neither? Or maybe I can see both sides of the argument? Not something you’re used to doing, I can see.

Why are you personally attacking me?

Valeyard15 · 20/09/2025 21:36

HereAreYourOptions · 20/09/2025 21:28

Or maybe those ‘white British’ just arent willing to do it at the rates that employers are willing to offer because they know they can find someone just a little more desperate who will do it for less and, bonus, with less experience or expectations of pesky things like labour rights.

Nothing like flooding the labour market to keep wages down.

So why then are public sector roles such in care, health and transport, where equitable wage rates and labour rights are strictly enforced, suffering labour shortages every bit as much as the private sector, when they would be legally required to pay the 'white British' the same as everyone else?

Goldenbear · 20/09/2025 21:36

HereAreYourOptions · 20/09/2025 21:28

Or maybe those ‘white British’ just arent willing to do it at the rates that employers are willing to offer because they know they can find someone just a little more desperate who will do it for less and, bonus, with less experience or expectations of pesky things like labour rights.

Nothing like flooding the labour market to keep wages down.

Do you agree with Trade unions then as they are traditionally aligned with the Labour party and I can see your not a fan?

usernamealreadytaken · 20/09/2025 21:37

Valeyard15 · 20/09/2025 21:27

Wow. I'm sure in your head that seemed like a 'burn' as the youngsters say, but it might surprise you to learn that unskilled workers are not just Deliveroo drivers. There are these people called 'cleaners' and 'porters' and 'factory workers' without which our economy doesn't function.

We seemed to have roughly enough cleaners and porters before the boats. Per capita GDP has decreased as net migration has increased; the country is not getting wealthier because of migrants.

HereAreYourOptions · 20/09/2025 21:38

Goldenbear · 20/09/2025 21:36

Do you agree with Trade unions then as they are traditionally aligned with the Labour party and I can see your not a fan?

Eh?

usernamealreadytaken · 20/09/2025 21:39

Goldenbear · 20/09/2025 21:32

You literally wrote; " smallpinecone · Today 19:26
Why are you directing this at me?
I don’t feel poverty or discomfort."

Are you not referring to yourself when you say "I don't feel" my apologies if not it's just that 'I' is used as 'first person' pronoun in the English language.

Just because somebody doesnt feel poverty, doesnt make them wealthy. There are plenty of shades in between.

Goldenbear · 20/09/2025 21:39

HereAreYourOptions · 20/09/2025 21:38

Eh?

Do you agree with Trade Unions?

HereAreYourOptions · 20/09/2025 21:40

Goldenbear · 20/09/2025 21:39

Do you agree with Trade Unions?

Still not seeing it. Going to need to elaborate a bit more here I’m afraid.

smallpinecone · 20/09/2025 21:43

Goldenbear · 20/09/2025 21:34

Why are you personally attacking me?

Why do you think it’s relevant to anything whether I’m personally in poverty or not? 🤨

LeonardoDiCaprio · 20/09/2025 21:43

smallpinecone · 20/09/2025 20:28

Disgusting, hateful… etc, etc. Have you considered listening to people’s concerns? Given there’s so many people voicing them, perhaps they have a point?

Where is your kindness and tolerance for those who don’t want endless mass immigration? Only works in one direction, seemingly.

Thank you.

Arafina · 20/09/2025 21:44

Obviously this small boat thing has to stop if only because it's so dangerous and the simple solution is to have a processing centre in France. So if someone does arrive on a boat they are returned to France for processing and the outcome is decided there, but for me I hate the vile rhetoric that has been normalised and I worry that this is just going to get worse, when the asylum seekers are dealt with they will move onto other immigrants and then people of colour and so on, those people that follow the likes of Tommy Robinson just hate, they know that immigration isn't the problem they claim it is but this rage allows them to spout their hatred, I really don't like the direction we're heading

LittleYellowQueen · 20/09/2025 21:44

smallpinecone · 20/09/2025 20:22

Yawn.

You can yawn all you like, but you're so desperate to protect it and yet you can't even define it.

smallpinecone · 20/09/2025 21:45

LittleYellowQueen · 20/09/2025 21:44

You can yawn all you like, but you're so desperate to protect it and yet you can't even define it.

How can I define something that others are so keen to pretend doesn’t even exist?

HereAreYourOptions · 20/09/2025 21:46

Valeyard15 · 20/09/2025 21:36

So why then are public sector roles such in care, health and transport, where equitable wage rates and labour rights are strictly enforced, suffering labour shortages every bit as much as the private sector, when they would be legally required to pay the 'white British' the same as everyone else?

Have you worked in care? Quite a lot of it isn’t public sector for a start.

LittleYellowQueen · 20/09/2025 21:47

2dogsandabudgie · 20/09/2025 20:24

Do you honestly not know anything about British culture and traditions or are you just trying to be goady?

I want to know what it is that people feel is under threat. People bang on about British culture but they can't actually define it. They're just throwing it out as a soundbite. What precisely is it are we going to lose if we help refugees?

Valeyard15 · 20/09/2025 21:47

HereAreYourOptions · 20/09/2025 21:46

Have you worked in care? Quite a lot of it isn’t public sector for a start.

That depends where you live. In some places care is all public sector.

Goldenbear · 20/09/2025 21:47

usernamealreadytaken · 20/09/2025 21:39

Just because somebody doesnt feel poverty, doesnt make them wealthy. There are plenty of shades in between.

Yes but the shades of grey are not considered at all by that poster, they are living in comfort but they are obviously not one of the many stereotype listed

LittleYellowQueen · 20/09/2025 21:48

smallpinecone · 20/09/2025 21:45

How can I define something that others are so keen to pretend doesn’t even exist?

I'm asking you how you define it? You're the one who said it's under threat. It should be a simple question?

LittleYellowQueen · 20/09/2025 21:48

Arafina · 20/09/2025 21:44

Obviously this small boat thing has to stop if only because it's so dangerous and the simple solution is to have a processing centre in France. So if someone does arrive on a boat they are returned to France for processing and the outcome is decided there, but for me I hate the vile rhetoric that has been normalised and I worry that this is just going to get worse, when the asylum seekers are dealt with they will move onto other immigrants and then people of colour and so on, those people that follow the likes of Tommy Robinson just hate, they know that immigration isn't the problem they claim it is but this rage allows them to spout their hatred, I really don't like the direction we're heading

Well they can't do that, because of Brexit.

TheExcitersblowingupmymind · 20/09/2025 21:49

Arafina · 20/09/2025 21:44

Obviously this small boat thing has to stop if only because it's so dangerous and the simple solution is to have a processing centre in France. So if someone does arrive on a boat they are returned to France for processing and the outcome is decided there, but for me I hate the vile rhetoric that has been normalised and I worry that this is just going to get worse, when the asylum seekers are dealt with they will move onto other immigrants and then people of colour and so on, those people that follow the likes of Tommy Robinson just hate, they know that immigration isn't the problem they claim it is but this rage allows them to spout their hatred, I really don't like the direction we're heading

It's a vehicle the extreme right have used for decades only now their reach is much more than before with social media.
Before it was newspaper sales, leaflets, stickers to put the message out.
The name's change but the message is always the same.

Valeyard15 · 20/09/2025 21:50

LittleYellowQueen · 20/09/2025 21:47

I want to know what it is that people feel is under threat. People bang on about British culture but they can't actually define it. They're just throwing it out as a soundbite. What precisely is it are we going to lose if we help refugees?

It's like British 'values', as if ours are naturally superior to others - sounds good, means nothing.

HereAreYourOptions · 20/09/2025 21:51

Valeyard15 · 20/09/2025 21:47

That depends where you live. In some places care is all public sector.

Like where?