To find it shocking how brazen people are with their hatred of refugees?

[GreenFairy93]

Another day, another Facebook post calling for the army to be bought in to stop the boats. Another comment section full of people shouting "sink the boats!" "Use as much force as necessary to stop them!"

There are women and children on these boats and people are brazenly calling for force to be used against them and for them to be sunk, with pictures of their faces next to their comments. Not an ounce of shame. And there's hundreds of them.

I just find it absolutely abhorrent and honestly, really upsetting that so many people have dehumanised asylum seekers to the point they have absolutely no compassion in their hearts to the point they are publicly calling for harm to come to families fleeing war.

AIBU to be shocked that people think this is ok now?

Oooh can we deport the criminals then? That would be nice!

We can swap them for non criminal refugees and kill two birds with one stone!

I thought the same when I walked past a (can't remember the nationality) beggar. Blow me down.... we are so wealthy we need to import beggars. No, I did not drop in a coin.

My cookie is the one I’ve earned; you don't have to own the jar to have a cookie.

No, I don’t resent wealthy foreigners buying property, because their 27 bed mansions in Knightsbridge don't affect whether or not my DC can afford a flat in Bolton or Salford. They bring money in to the country; they are not claiming benefits.

Problem being we don’t really know which refugees are non criminal, until they commit a crime. Because they come here with no past history to share with us unfortunately.

@usernamealreadytaken has nailed it. It really isn't about the super-rich buying properties we can't afford (I could buy quite a nice house in most of the UK but not in central London); it is that they are paying something in, not taking it out.

Actual statistics show that (yes, it’s C&P) - Research on resettled refugees indicates that employment rates are low. Similarly, labour market data on people who report arriving in the UK seeking protection find lower employment rates than among the UK born, with a particularly large gap among women (Figure 14). Several factors contribute to this trend, including low English proficiency and chronic health conditions. For those who arrive in the UK spontaneously (i.e., not through resettlement programmes), there is evidence that prolonged waiting periods during the asylum process can also hinder career progression.
Between 2020 and 2022, men who came to seek asylum at least ten years previously had much higher employment rates than recent arrivals, narrowing the gap with the UK born (Figure 15).
For women, however, disparities in employment persisted even after long periods of residence. Studies suggest that limited English proficiency and cultural norms around childcare—particularly common in regions such as North Africa and the Middle East, where many refugees originate—play a major role in women’s continued economic inactivity. Additionally, difficulties attending English for Speakers of Other Languages (ESOL) classes, including due to childcare responsibilities, can further hinder refugee women’s integration into the labour market.

It’s exactly the same way most other countries in the world feel about migrants, regardless of their colour or origin. It’s also very telling that successful Middle Eastern countries only accept migrants who are entirely self-supporting, and have no recourse to public funds. Some even still use slaves, but thats glossed over too.

I'm tolerant and kind to people but I'm not going to tolerate racist, insular, inflammatory views and bigotry. I've responded to people's concerns with actual figures - immigration is down - it's not as big an issue as it was even two years ago. Stories such as "illegal immigrant raped woman" could be as easily counteracted with "British citizen raped woman". I was born in Britain. I could have easily as been born in France or Austria or Iraq or Sweden or Syria. It's not virtue signalling to say you find comments saying "Muslim is a cancer" and generalising all Asian nations racist. People are people. They are human. And I do not want to become the sort of Little Englander who looks inwards and blames "otherness" for our problems. I wish you well.

I don't think we need any Deliveroo drivers at all! For years, we have collected our own takeaway orders without issue. Just go and collect it on foot, get your steps in.

Hatred is not okay against anyone on any level. Debate is good though. And also lobbying your local councillors or MP. One of our councillors admitted during recent contact that immigration was a huge concern raised time and time again when he spoke to voters, alongside concerns about housing and the NHS, and that he’d had a lot of correspondence on the subject. This all then gets fed back to the government, which is probably why Starmer is trying to act. I’m sure his actions aren’t as a result of the few hundred anti immigration protestors last month, or even the 110k last week. He’s listening to reasoned concerns from the voters. So I think the way to go is to contact your local MP.

Yes it does. So you should resent them too by the same logic. Actually, if a bunch of billionaires from Russia or America or wherever buy houses that sit empty in Knightsbridge, then a millionaire from the UK can’t afford those houses anymore - they’re more desirable so the price rises - so they buy one in Notting Hill, which means another rich person can’t afford that house, so they buy one in West Hampstead, and so on and so on until your kid’s flat in Bolton is more expensive than it would be.

There are no disincentives to have empty houses in the uk, so people can buy them and leave them empty. There’s a famous road in North London full of empty mansions.

The problem isn’t that they’re owned by people from abroad (in my opinion) it’s that there is no disincentive to own an empty property (which is why they’re attractive to buy) and that they can do shady deals to avoid paying tax on them.

Those houses owned by foreign extremely wealthy people buying Knightsbridge aren’t actually bringing any real money into the uk either. They’re avoiding tax in some cases (they can avoid stamp duty by buying them through offshore companies and trusts) so only the estate agent gets the fee. And that could be a Russian estate agent in Russia, so…

Also - yes you’ve earned your cookie from whatever job you do. That’s yours. No one is taking it from you by being a migrant unless you’re paying them to work for you.

If you’re worried about your tax money being used to help people that you don’t want it to help, you should be more worried that there are people with piles and piles and piles of money, hogging it so no one else can have it. And not paying any tax on it and funnelling the money away so it doesn’t even hang around here.

That was in response to LittleYellowQueen who said they were happy to swap people that attended the tommy robinson march for illegal migrants. Their words, not mine.

LittleYellowQueen · Today 18:24
Happy to swap them, 1 in 1 out, for those people that attended the tommy robinson march.
There's plenty of white British men who have prehistoric views towards women too.
CrazyAboutFurBabies · Today 18:21
Serious question to all in favour of illegal migrants...

Thats would be a good start, but how would you know they are definitely not criminals if they don't have any ID? Are you suggesting we only take ones with ID? I think plenty of people would agree with you; it’s the undocumented ones ,
most people seem to be against.

@Nowherefast4

‘I'm tolerant and kind to people but I'm not going to tolerate racist, insular, inflammatory views and bigotry.’

Those things are subjective, and your definitions of those terms are personal to you. We’ll have to agree to disagree. I assume you’d feel just as strongly against intolerance or insularity from any section of the population.

The super-rich buying up London properties are really NOT bringing money in. It’s actually a huge problem. I would encourage you to read into it. I was surprised when I did.

But isn’t that dependent on the quality of immigrants too? Ie, unskilled people might pay taxes, but nowhere near enough to balance the books in respect of getting back what they’ve paid in. That’s the concern about overtaxing the very wealthy, because if you get an exodus of super wealthy tax payers, and then continue to bring in lots of unskilled mw workers, then our coffers are going to drain pretty quickly.

If you believe the super-rich are putting money in to the UK then there are a few bridges round here you may be interested in buying...

Question - how or who pays for this ? Do we have an open cheque book for everyperson in the world who wants a better life ?
is this racism or realism that we can’t solve or pay for the worlds problems.

But those unskilled workers will contribute to the productivity of businesses and services, which will lead to a growing tax take from the private sector as they generate revenue, and more sustainable services.

You know what? When you try to equate a billionaire buying at £250million flat in Knightsbridge with making a £90k flat in Bolton more expensive , your argument really loses momentum.

If you believe the deliveroo drivers are putting money in to the UK any more than wealthy property investors in Knightsbridge then there are a few bridges round here you may be interested in buying...

Ok you pay for it then…..

The shocking thing is the stupidity rather than the hatred in all these facebook posts. So many are fixated on small boats and think that they’re the cause of this country's woes and of their own personal problems. They genuinely believe that stopping the boats will magically transform things, when it really won’t.

But, uncontrolled immigration is a problem - Europe as a whole cannot (and should not) accommodate anyone from anywhere looking for a better quality of life. Every country should be allowed to control who enters, and quite frankly, isn’t the first job of an armed forces to defend its own country’s borders?

Do you understand how wealth acquisition works?

Wow. I'm sure in your head that seemed like a 'burn' as the youngsters say, but it might surprise you to learn that unskilled workers are not just Deliveroo drivers. There are these people called 'cleaners' and 'porters' and 'factory workers' without which our economy doesn't function.