Teacher conduct - clapping at DS

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DS 13 got sent out of class today for talking to another student (friend) and not paying attention when he should have been.
He got a warning first.
He talked again to the same student a second time about 10 minutes later.
For this, he got sent out of the room to go in to isolation for the rest of the school day, followed by an hour after school detention.

As he got his stuff together and walked out of the room, the teacher started clapping at him. He said to DS "Well done you just got yourself an isolation and a detention" then clapped with his hands raised up above his head and carried on clapping at DS as he walked through the room and out of the door. Whilst the teacher was clapping, the other students joined in and started clapping too, and the teacher allowed this and carried on himself.

I've had dialogue with the school to confirm that DS was talking and to check whether he was doing anything more than this, and the teacher has confirmed that he was punished for talking when he should have been listening to the teacher, on 2 separate occasions in the lesson. Nothing more.

I accept that talking when he shouldn't have been talking and that this has received a punishment of being sent out, sent to isolation and given a 1 hour detention. But I've got a really big issue with the clapping. DS accepts he shouldn't have been talking and has aplogised about this and seems regretful for his actions. But he says the clapping from the teacher and other students whilst he walked through them all to leave the room made him feel humiliated and I've taken issue with this.

AIBU?

There’s certainly many on here who aren’t good at judging the behaviour of people very close to themselves.

And the behaviour is being dealt with. Who is dealing with the teacher’s behaviour?

You are clearly not a teacher. Humiliation is never ok. And if you were a teacher, you’d know low level talking in a break from a game is NOTHING compared to what we deal with day to day. The OP should not write this off. This “teacher” is a disgrace and needs reprimanded. If he were one of my colleagues and I heard about this, I’d be reporting him myself

I actually quite like this tbh, I think a lot of teachers/parents can be way too soft and wishy washy with kids who will end up hugely entitled and no clue about following boundaries.
The teacher made it clear his behaviour was unacceptable. Your DS likely won't do it again.

Oh everyone has read it - we just can’t believe teachers have to put up with this shit (I’m not a teacher).

What’s cringe is that this even becomes a thread. The poll has spoken for itself.

if you think this is humiliation then no wonder the world is heading where it is.

This is literally not even thread worthy.

This appears to be a form of bullying, and is so so not acceptable. Document it all while its fresh in his mind - Put a complaint in writing to the head teacher & also governors- even if your child did something wrong, admit this, get him to write his version, & it was not right that a 'teacher' encouraged others to get involved. Your child seems to have accepted that his actions were not appropriate at the time, but no excuse for a 'teacher' to encourage bullying.

Yes, let’s teach them respect…by humiliating and encouraging other students to bully them. If these are the methods you use, it would appear that you cannot, in fact, do anything.

And as far as preparing them for the real world, I’m not sure if you’ve visited the real world recently but those methods aren’t acceptable in her workplace either.

No, it clearly states that the other students joined in which would suggest that they too are fed up with their learning being disrupted by her sons behaviour. That's where the focus should be, not on those trying to learn and the person trying to maintain an environment where the other students can.

Considering many people on this thread have demonstrated they cant read and still continue to think ops beef is with the punishment, yea, i really wouldn't take much notice of The Mumsnet Poll 😆

Quite. The low literacy levels in this country are reflected in many people’s comments here.

It is also a common misconception that the majority view must be the correct one. Very often, the opposite is the case.

So you're expecting the teacher to have their lessons disrupted, have to deal with that disruption and then have to have to justify their 'conduct' as well. Any chance they'd be be able to get on with actual teaching? This is why there's a shortage of teachers, because as soon as any child behaves poorly some parents demand a forensic examination of the staff instead of focusing on why they're all in the classroom in the first place.

The child was punishedn for being disruptive, there was no need for the teacher to take it any further, it was over. Humiliating a child is bullying. Public shaming used to commonly happen when I was at school. Totally unnecessary and sets a very poor example.

If the teacher didnt initiate the time wasting clapping then they wouldnt have brought their conduct into question.

Op isnt demanding a forensic examination of her DS behaviour. She's accepted that. Her issue was very, very clearly, plainly, and simply explained in her op.

Do you know any teenagers? It’s more likely that they joined in for shits and giggles, to cause a bit of ruckus and at least a few took joy in also humiliating a classmate. I’ve yet to hear a teen complaining about a classmate being so disruptive they didn’t learn anything in PE.

Yes, the thread is literally called 'Teacher Conduct' and DS refers to her son. And you're right, instead of focusing on his behaviour she's focused on the teacher. How much time do you suppose the'clapping' took as opposed to dealing with the behaviour, twice, writing up the follow up and then having to justify their dealing with it? And if you were the parent of a child who was simply there trying to learn is this how your would want the teacher to spend their time, instead of on planning and delivering their lessons etc, genuinely?

I have found the thought of teens joining in clapping because they too were fed up quite amusing.

Also quite sweet really that posters would assume teens clapping means they just want to desperately learn 🥹

There is another alternative, that the pupils were actually clapping that ops kid has finally revealed he is normal and got into trouble 🤣

Alternative alternative - they were clapping equally maniacally as the teacher to take the piss out of him.

Yes, the thread is literally called 'Teacher Conduct' and DS refers to her son. And you're right, instead of focusing on his behaviour she's focused on the teacher. How much time do you suppose the'clapping' took as opposed to dealing with the behaviour, twice, writing up the follow up and then having to justify their dealing with it? And if you were the parent of a child who was simply there trying to learn is this how your would want the teacher to spend their time, instead of on planning and delivering their lessons etc, genuinely?

The topic of the thread is the clapping so yes, quite obviously thats the focus of the thread.

I imagine more time taken up by the clapping, settling them all down afterwards etc. Very poor by the teacher and counter productive

No wonder hes struggling with the role.

Eta - and no youre right i wouldnt want a teacher to spend time humiliating a child. Course not.

Yes. That is what is expected of teachers.

At present. And it is grossly unfair to the students (and their parents) who want to learn. And it is driving teachers out of the classroom leading to a shortage. Thankfully schools are taking steps to address this type of deflection back onto pupils behaviour.

Students have a very strong sense of fairness and the fact that they joined in and clapped him out indicates their frustration with the poor behaviour. The suggestion that this is 'humiliation' is also highly questionable and again deflects away from the pupils original poor behaviour, which is what her son wants. Yet again the parent is only concerned with their own perceived 'fairness' and has no consideration for the other people in the room.

you are teaching your child to be a ‘victim’ by not supporting the teacher. Maybe the teacher could have handled this differently but at the end of the day parents should support teachers and not constantly encourage bad behaviour by listening to their complaints of how they were treated when misbehaving.

I think you and I should agree to disagree on this one!

This thread is certainly a terrible indictment on the school system, the shocking lack of literacy and reading comprehension in the general public it has revealed is pretty worrying!