Teacher conduct - clapping at DS

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DS 13 got sent out of class today for talking to another student (friend) and not paying attention when he should have been.
He got a warning first.
He talked again to the same student a second time about 10 minutes later.
For this, he got sent out of the room to go in to isolation for the rest of the school day, followed by an hour after school detention.

As he got his stuff together and walked out of the room, the teacher started clapping at him. He said to DS "Well done you just got yourself an isolation and a detention" then clapped with his hands raised up above his head and carried on clapping at DS as he walked through the room and out of the door. Whilst the teacher was clapping, the other students joined in and started clapping too, and the teacher allowed this and carried on himself.

I've had dialogue with the school to confirm that DS was talking and to check whether he was doing anything more than this, and the teacher has confirmed that he was punished for talking when he should have been listening to the teacher, on 2 separate occasions in the lesson. Nothing more.

I accept that talking when he shouldn't have been talking and that this has received a punishment of being sent out, sent to isolation and given a 1 hour detention. But I've got a really big issue with the clapping. DS accepts he shouldn't have been talking and has aplogised about this and seems regretful for his actions. But he says the clapping from the teacher and other students whilst he walked through them all to leave the room made him feel humiliated and I've taken issue with this.

AIBU?

Teacher here - not ok behaviour from the teacher. The teacher may have reflected on it afterwards and realised. We have all done silly things, especially when at the end of our tether with behaviour and exhausted. Equally, the teacher may be a nasty bully, which happens. However, I would suggest leaving it. Assuming your child now behaves, nothing else should happen. However, if a pattern of behaviour emerges with this teacher, absolutely complain. My concern would be that if you complain now, you will be labelled as a complainer, and if anything does escalate, not be taken seriously. I know that's not how it should be, but unfortunately, so many parents leap to their child's defence instead of backing up the school's behaviour policies, that it may be assumed you are doing that.

You never say that the teacher confirmed it was exactly as your son described. I was also thinking that your son’s account might not be completely accurate

I think your focus needs to be on your son’s disruptive and disrespectful behaviour tbh.

Is this the first time he has been sanctioned for disrupting a lesson? The teacher’s response is unprofessional, but I can sympathise. I had to leave teaching because of the poor behaviour, constant disruption and disrespect. It wears you down eventually.

I agree with others this doesn't sound appropriate or very professional.

However do you have the full story? Are you sure he wasn't pratting about on the way out trying to act unbothered, taking a bow, even continuing to disrupt in someway which the teacher then started clapping at saying well done you have earned isolation?

Retired teacher here, who spent decades teaching disruptive students. This was certainly not the way I would have dealt with talking while I was teaching. I expected my students to stay in the class and behave in order to learn. Might have taken a few goes, but they eventually they got the message.
if I’d sent them out to isolation I’d have had an empty classroom! The teacher displayed appalling class room behaviour by clapping!

Just so relieved mine are out of school environment now.
As l was reading your post l could hear Darleks from Dr Who screaming "Obey" "Obey"" Obey".

This is terrible. All of it is very ott. I’d complain and look at other schools.

And the negative comments you’re getting on here - clearly not of parents of children of similar age.

Listen just to clarify - I accept that DS was sent out to isolation and given detention for talking and not paying attention in the class when he should have been. I've reinforced to him at home this evening that that isn't acceptable and if he talks in class it causes disruption and he will receive a punishment for this.
So to those commenting on his behaviour, I already know this. And receiving a punishment from the teacher isn't my issue.
My issue is the teacher clapping as he walked out, with arms raised, and then students joining in and the teacher carrying on.

Did the teacher confirm they did this? I'd want to find out more from them before making any decisions about my next steps.

I've had dialogue with the school to confirm that DS was talking and to check whether he was doing anything more than this, and the teacher has confirmed that he was punished for talking when he should have been listening to the teacher, on 2 separate occasions in the lesson. Nothing more.
Your son wasn’t listening and stopped the other child from listening, and possibly distracted others from being able to listen.
The fact your son got isolation and a detention indicates that this wasn’t an isolated incident. Schools rarely go from a warning to a isolation and a detention, unless there have been other incidents in other lessons.

The teacher shouldn’t have clapped or allowed the rest of the class to clap either, but it does sound like he was fed up with your son’s behaviour.

Has the teacher confirmed this? When you spoke to school about the incident to confirm what he did, did you mention this to get the teacher to corroborate the story?

Yes it’s not nice to be humiliated and it’s not something I would do.

however consider that your Dani’s humiliated because he choose to ignore the teachers reasonable instructions to shut up and then everyone made him feel the force of interrupting their lesson for the second time.

Sometimes people’s reactions aren’t why we like nor how we think they should respond.

But your DS has a choice now to make sure he never experiences that again or …..

I would be saying to DS. Doesn’t matter if we agree with teachers reaction - that came as a direct consequence of your actions - that’s all you can control.

But also what the teacher has done is cleverly made every single student think twice about disobeying the be quiet rule - as none of them will want to be clapped out of class now either!

I wousont be happy about this however I’d want to know more. What is this teacher like in general, is this kind of behaviour out of character or have they resorted to bullying on other occasion (with other dc)?
If it’s the latter I would want to speak to the school about it. If they are usually ok, I’d give them the benefit of the doubt this time.

Suck it up and remind your son how to behave in class. He should know at 13 but clearly needs reminding. Also remind him that he’s disturbing others by talking in class. Then he might not be clapped out of class again.

And you’ve contacted the school on his behalf. What a waste of other adults time.

Bit of backbone required I think.

Social punishment is how we learn and evolved our behaviours as a species.

He was unprofessional for sure, but we learn valuable lessons from things like this.

No no no, the disrespectful/violent/aggressive behaviour of a pupil should NEVER be acknowledged....
Parents always deny it, or say teacher is lying, but anyone who glances or thinks about telling said child off.... 'discipline and suspend that teacher!!

The teacher may have clapped, I doubt she asked the others to join in, may be they were equally fed up of listening to your child instead of being able to learn - someone has to be the class clown.

You need to think about the other 30 kids in that class.

You also need to think about the work put into each lesson that can not be delivered when you have disruptive children.

You child should also be aware of your displeasure of this type of behavior.

You’ll be the first to complain when your kids isn’t picked for things, or misses out on opportunities, or fails exams.

It’s bullying behaviour from the teacher imo . I would set up a meeting and unless the twat apologised I would be clapping the money he got up to leave followed by , “well done by being such a bad teacher and bully “

If a teacher has to resort to humiliation to control a class they aren't fit to be a teacher and should probably find a different profession.

Children misbehave, thats why schools have behaviour systems to deal with it.

If your manager in work resorted to public humiliation in front your team because you made a mistake would you think that was ok?

I always find it fascinating the behaviours that adults expect children to tolerate that as an adult they very likely wont themselves.

If it actually happened.

Sometimes humiliation is deserved.

A lot of teenage boys act like knobs and then carry on acting like knobs because nobody ever calls them out on it. Detention is annoying for them but it doesn't teach them that their behaviour is actually pathetic and embarrassing, and perhaps sometimes someone needs to show them that.

I find a grown ass adult who resorts to shit like that much more pathetic and embarrassing and a knob to be honest than a 13 year old talking in class.

Clapping is not acceptable from the teacher, I would be asking about this as the teacher needs to know this isn’t how to control a classroom.