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Private school grief

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Movingonfeelssad · 16/09/2025 12:56

Hey,
just came to the realization that private school for my child will not happen. Local State is good, cannot complain really, he will be fine, but will always wonder what doors private would have opened. We can afford it, mainly because of my income and this created so much pain in my husband that I decided to let it go. As a self made person from a very underprivileged background, it took so much grit and determination to get to where I am right now financially and I find it slightly challenging not to aim for the best for my child. But the value for money makes no sense with today’s fees and increasing costs, lifestyle creep etc…
what is the point of being successful as a professional if I need to hide it all the time? And before you say, yes my husband is very supportive of me otherwise…

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twistyizzy · 19/09/2025 14:47

CallMeMessy · 19/09/2025 14:43

Trickle down economics? Give the rich more tax breaks, so they have more money, then they’ll spend it and the economy does better?
Doesn’t work though, does it? People with money hoard that money - fair enough, it’s their money.
Wealthy people don’t need more tax breaks, I don’t need more tax breaks. I’d prefer the tax I pay to go into good, very good universal education, we need an educated population. That’s what benefits the economy. Not tax breaks for the 1% or 10% etc.

Again for the hard of understanding: a zero rating of VAT due to international agreement of the merit good of education for the population isn't, and has never been, a tax break.

Again, money from VAT isn't going to state schools.

Again, the fact you support the taxation on the education of children and SEND children says more about you.

twistyizzy · 19/09/2025 14:49

CallMeMessy · 19/09/2025 14:43

Trickle down economics? Give the rich more tax breaks, so they have more money, then they’ll spend it and the economy does better?
Doesn’t work though, does it? People with money hoard that money - fair enough, it’s their money.
Wealthy people don’t need more tax breaks, I don’t need more tax breaks. I’d prefer the tax I pay to go into good, very good universal education, we need an educated population. That’s what benefits the economy. Not tax breaks for the 1% or 10% etc.

These are some of the "wealthy" who use independent schools.

You are merely parroting slogans which are meaningless and based on bigoted prejudices about the type of people who use independent schools

Private school grief
38thparallel · 19/09/2025 15:02

My hope is that the more the educated
middle classes are forced to use state provision, the more they might start advocating for a better system rather than just side stepping the issue by paying their way out of the problem.

Are you sure about this? Some of these middle classes who are forced to use state provision for their children may have gone to private school and so will not only be thick, entitled and poorly educated, but also traumatised.
Are these really the people you want advocating for state schools?

CatkinToadflax · 19/09/2025 15:20

DS1 left school with two GCSEs. Neither were in core subjects. He was privately educated for 3 years while the state school system was unable to give him a place. I don’t regret for a second that we spent that money so that he was safe and educated in the years between his disastrous state infant school experience and the LA agreeing several years later to place him in a special school. Buying privilege? Not in his case, no. Buying a basic education? Yes - but we shouldn’t actually have had to.

pinkandgreenflower · 19/09/2025 15:36

@CallMeMessy - a few things here. First, many, many private schools are VERY academically selective. Yes, it's likely the majority of parents will pay full fees, many of the best private schools don't want finances to be prohibitive - hence bursary schemes. My kids' school has about 100 kids on bursaries. So to say 'money is more important than academics' isn't quite right.

Second, while I agree that good education should be available to all, putting VAT on fees isn't really 'closing a tax break'. Private school parents are already taxed - they then pay the fees out of their net incomes. So effectively, we are now being taxed twice....while also not using a system we pay tax for!

As @twistyizzy says, we are now the only country in the world that taxes education. In other countries, if you are not using the state education system, you are actually credited by the government! Also agree that the assisted place scheme was brilliant and widened access.

Movingonfeelssad · 19/09/2025 20:55

Calliopespa · 17/09/2025 22:46

I think OP it would pay to dig a little around these assumptions that certain schools lead to certain universities which lead to certain jobs.

There have been significant inroads on this in recent years.

I appreciate it and to be honest I only see it as tokens of diversity. The amount of biased recruitment policies or common practices I have seen directly or heard from friends working from desirable employers (ie companies who pay well, offer extensive opportunities for development and career progression, including significant variable compensation) is not small…class, gender, racial diversity…?

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Movingonfeelssad · 19/09/2025 20:57

Newbutoldfather · 18/09/2025 13:44

Seeing education as an end itself is very laudable, but also a luxury belief.

Poor people very rarely see it that way.

That’s a very aristocratic thought. Setting a child up for financial security is an important consideration for many and education is a mean to that end, like it or not

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CallMeMessy · 20/09/2025 08:11

Movingonfeelssad · 19/09/2025 20:57

That’s a very aristocratic thought. Setting a child up for financial security is an important consideration for many and education is a mean to that end, like it or not

It is, but your assumption that children who go to normal schools don’t achieve that, or that private school children automatically do, it’s both out dated and insulting.

ScreentimeInTheMeantime · 20/09/2025 08:16

Movingonfeelssad · 17/09/2025 21:01

Thank you for the message, grateful for the thorough explanation. We visited both schools extensively and the private one sends more than half to Clarendon schools. The families we have seen at the networking functions are mainly investment bankers / city lawyers and the odd business owners. Some international families, mainly Chinese. we observed this and formed some impressions. I think his feelings are valid but he has not been super forthcoming about them and I wanted to be tactful

School fees put a big amount of stress on the household budgets of those who can only just afford it (what if one of you is made redundant?), because moving a child from private to state for financial reasons could feel horrible. He might feel that you will be super stretched, and that there will be a knock on effect on being able to go out for treats, holidays etc. I think those are valid concerns and not necessarily ego-y. I am not choosing our local private school for this reason - worried it’d be a huge financial commitment that could cause a lot of grief down the line.

He might also worry that your child won’t be able keep up with school mates on clothes, holidays, activities, size of house etc., which is probably a bit less rational and there will be other parents there who are the first in their families to send their children to private school, and other people who are prioritising school fees and so tightening the belt elsewhere.

Finally if he’s worried about the finances of it, he might be saying “well we wouldn’t fit in anyway” to sort of feel better and make the best of it?

I think you need to understand how much of his concerns are financial, and how much is rooted in some pre-conceptions he has about people who use private schools. Maybe he hasn’t got it all straight in his head yet.

twistyizzy · 20/09/2025 08:17

CallMeMessy · 20/09/2025 08:11

It is, but your assumption that children who go to normal schools don’t achieve that, or that private school children automatically do, it’s both out dated and insulting.

As are some of your assumptions/prejudices about independent schools and the people who use them

CallMeMessy · 20/09/2025 08:23

Fees are the least of your worries, TBH. Friend put her child in a well known school and the extras of uniform, sports fees ( all those tennis courts but lessons are extra) extra curriculars, and the keeping up with the Joneses has brought her household budget to breaking point and she never has the money to do anything much otherwise Despite being a very big earner.
Her money her choice.

NomoneyNoprospects · 20/09/2025 08:25

Comedycook · 16/09/2025 12:59

If it helps I went to private school from the age of 4-18 and have achieved fuck all career wise...only ever done bog standard admin type jobs.

Likewise. I was also bloody miserable at school pretty much all the way through.

I wish my parents had sent me to state school and used that same money for university, so I now wouldn't be saddled with £50k of debt for my entire working life.

Would never ever say that to them ofc. But its 100% true.

VickyEadieofThigh · 20/09/2025 10:02

DaisyChain505 · 18/09/2025 08:05

You keep focusing on what job your child could end up in and how rich they could be. Have you ever stopped to think about what will actually make them happy and content in life rather that their finances?

Yes, I find it astonishing that some parents look at their small human and think 'Must ensure she goes to a school that guarantees she'll get a job paying stacky millions' - rather than 'I really want my child to be happy, no matter what career or life she wants to lead when she's an adult'.

CallMeMessy · 20/09/2025 10:17

Friend has pulled her kid from private school to state after 6 years ( money not an issue, they’re minted) and the DC are so much happier being in a bigger school, more diverse population and gone from being quite a shy kid with a few friends to having a big social circle, joining school sport team and taking part in the schools shows etc.
just shows being in a smaller pool where everyone is from a a similar background doesn’t guarantee choice or satisfaction or a great experience

AliTheMinx · 20/09/2025 10:19

I completely understand, OP. My son is in Year 9 and has been at private school since Reception. We are not the stereotypical rich parents by any means. It has been a huge squeeze and struggle, but I truly believe it was the right decision for my son. The school is known for being academic and he has absolutely flourished there and is unbelievably happy and doing well. He works extremely hard and the extracurricular opportunities are incredible. He has an academic scholarship, so 10% of his Senior School fees are covered. Our local schools when he was about to start school were not good, which influenced our decision, but had they been good, we may not have looked at private school at all (although I went to one from 11+, and am forever grateful). My husband did not go to.private school, but we were both blown away when we went to the open day at his school, and signed him up there and then! I think you are right to say that it's natural to want the best for your child, and it felt as though we were doing this. Now he is there and so happy, the thought of taking him out is heartbreaking. My parents had to step in and help financially when VAT came in, as that was crippling for us, but we didn't want to move him, as he is so happy. We are fortunate to just have one child and he is the only grandchild on my side, so we can just about make it work. However, I think if we were looking at schools for the first time now, the high fees would mean we would have ruled out private school from.the outset purely on cost. The fees have absolutely skyrocketed over the last 9 years in a way I didn't expect.

muddymuckymoody · 20/09/2025 10:19

Buddingbudde · 16/09/2025 13:18

And for me the advantage of private is a safe, calm educational environment. This allows my child to get good grades while developing into a happy, well rounded individual. Private do ‘happy, well rounded’ really well. Future career is less of a concern for us.

See Blundells re: safe

twistyizzy · 20/09/2025 10:21

muddymuckymoody · 20/09/2025 10:19

See Blundells re: safe

So 1 school = all schools?

How about the Mossbourne academy with safeguarding issues? 1 school does not equate to all schools.

CallMeMessy · 20/09/2025 10:22

VickyEadieofThigh · 20/09/2025 10:02

Yes, I find it astonishing that some parents look at their small human and think 'Must ensure she goes to a school that guarantees she'll get a job paying stacky millions' - rather than 'I really want my child to be happy, no matter what career or life she wants to lead when she's an adult'.

It’s disappointing for many parents I think, they have this vision of what their kid will be, spend a load of money then the kid doesn’t get into Oxbridge or doesn’t want to, and doesn’t want to be a doctor or lawyer or corporate titan and they’re devastated.
Success is measured in £££ a lot of the time rather than in job satisfaction and happiness. My nurse sibling had the grades etc to be a doctor and it took my dad a long time to get his head around the fact that she really preferred nursing! And is good at it, very well paid, very senior, loves her job and is only a few years off NHS retirement too if she chooses.

muddymuckymoody · 20/09/2025 10:25

Movingonfeelssad · 17/09/2025 12:33

And how do you “buy” the enrichment that is instilled every day in the private school experience please? The “private school energy” that makes candidates come across as great culture fits, leadership high potential in interviews or over the course of a career. I am clear on the hard skills and work ethic but those are never the reason why people succeed past 100k ish type of jobs

It’s not always the case. In my experience of interviewing graduates for roles: most of the state secondary educated candidates trumped the privately educated in people skills.

twistyizzy · 20/09/2025 10:26

muddymuckymoody · 20/09/2025 10:25

It’s not always the case. In my experience of interviewing graduates for roles: most of the state secondary educated candidates trumped the privately educated in people skills.

Do you specifically ask them which type of school they went to?

muddymuckymoody · 20/09/2025 10:27

twistyizzy · 20/09/2025 10:26

Do you specifically ask them which type of school they went to?

When I was interviewing grads most would include GCSE/A-Level results alongside the name of the setting

twistyizzy · 20/09/2025 10:28

muddymuckymoody · 20/09/2025 10:25

It’s not always the case. In my experience of interviewing graduates for roles: most of the state secondary educated candidates trumped the privately educated in people skills.

What about the DC who were educated at both state and independent eg state primary, independent secondary and stare 6th form? How do they compare?
Very few DC do all through independent so majority mix and match state + independent.

I'm surprised you have the time to search through all their schools to identify which type they went to at each stage.

twistyizzy · 20/09/2025 10:29

muddymuckymoody · 20/09/2025 10:27

When I was interviewing grads most would include GCSE/A-Level results alongside the name of the setting

So you search up the type of each school by name for both GCSE and A level when interviewing?

muddymuckymoody · 20/09/2025 10:35

twistyizzy · 20/09/2025 10:28

What about the DC who were educated at both state and independent eg state primary, independent secondary and stare 6th form? How do they compare?
Very few DC do all through independent so majority mix and match state + independent.

I'm surprised you have the time to search through all their schools to identify which type they went to at each stage.

No, just extensive experience in managing graduates and a strange brain that remembers things such as school names. It’s not particularly hard to distinguish in many cases by name either.

I gave my personal opinion in how I felt graduates came across at interview, I am unsure as to why an experience that you can have no insight into - unless you were sat next to me in every interview; has rattled you so much?

twistyizzy · 20/09/2025 10:39

muddymuckymoody · 20/09/2025 10:35

No, just extensive experience in managing graduates and a strange brain that remembers things such as school names. It’s not particularly hard to distinguish in many cases by name either.

I gave my personal opinion in how I felt graduates came across at interview, I am unsure as to why an experience that you can have no insight into - unless you were sat next to me in every interview; has rattled you so much?

I am challenging your claim to know who comes from which type of school.
So according to your statement
"strange brain that remembers things such as school names. It’s not particularly hard to distinguish in many cases by name either" which of these is an independent school: Crossley Heath Grammar, Yarm School, Teesdale School?
Without looking them up. Because its not hard to distinguish.

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