Which country will you move to if Reform win next election?

[Krenonges]

Faced with the prospect of NHS being sold off, ICE-style immigration raids and deportations, emboldened bigots, changes to the school curriculum, public services dessimated, leaving EHCR, I honestly think I'll have no choice but to leave. I don't want to but I couldn't bring DC up in fascist state.

Luckily my DH, DC and I are all dual nationals of an EU country so we have an escape route if needed and this country goes to the dogs.

Where would you go?

The notion that voting for these same people to solve the immigration problem you speak of is baffling to me.

I’m open to other suggestions

Maybe we need to start building up people’s belief in themselves. The country has allowed

1. Demonisation of young white boys - no wonder they’re attracted to people who listen to them, white working class boys have, for along time been the underachievers in education. But apparently they are the privileged ones - we need to ban that inflammatory term
2. young working class white gils have been told they’re worthless by the government and judicial system
3. constant put downs of our country and its history when it is a lot better than many others.

If we address those issues to start we might see many improvements

@RhododendronFlowers There is statistics for 16 to 24 year olds who are called NEETs. I am not sure if it's part of the 3.7m statistics. My daughter's are in both education and employment at 17 and 19 years. The old have to pay taxes out of their pensions to pay for the young people who are either neets or on pip. It's ridiculous the way this country is going.

No-one’s got a problem with legal, controlled immigration.

But why would anyone want random illegal immigration, driven by traffickers?

1. I didn’t confuse you with someone else.

You chose to respond on somebody else’s behalf.

If you don’t know what “import the third world, get the world” means maybe don’t respond on their behalf?

Why would allowing a lot of people to migrate from “Third World Countries” mean ressembling those countries? I thought the opposition was to skillset of migrants?

If voting for anti-immigrant parties was always an opinion it seems incorrect to state people were never asked.

There are very few safe and legal routes for refugees/asylum seekers to enter the UK; there’s certainly an argument for offering more options for this to help stop/reduce the trafficking gangs and process applications before people arrive. As it stands, people can only claim asylum and begin that process when they’re actually in the UK, hence why they risk their lives trying to cross the Channel.

NEETS is completely different to PIP.
There are no stats for the under 20s for PIP.

It’s just that you replied to me with a quote that I never wrote and asked me what it meant, so I assumed you’d mistook me for someone else. Point taken, but you do seem to now be asking me more questions related to that? Do you want me to answer them?

If voting for anti-immigrant parties was always an opinion it seems incorrect to state people were never asked.
You seem to be arguing that people have been asked if they consented to mass immigration and they did? I don’t think that view holds up to any scrutiny whatsoever.

@AlasPoor I’m not keen on suggesting who to vote for, sorry and besides, I think the whole political system (and the media/social media that surrounds it) needs a total overhaul, but that’s another thread…

It’s ok, I don’t think there are any other viable options to suggest anyway.

And who told Germany that they were stupid to be so dependent on Russian oil and should do something about it?

Donald Trump.

Stupid is as stupid does I guess.

But they're not contributing to it, so we'll need to think about what we want to do with those net drains on socie.......sorry, I skipped ahead 5 years there, forgot we're still at the blaming migrants for all our problems stage. Silly me 🙈

I wouldn't like this either, but many countries do it - including some of the ones people are talking about moving to.

But if I did have to flee I already have funds to move and a 2nd nationality that gives me the right to live and work in that country
@JHound

What would have to happen for you to have to flee?

You have misread my comment.

Yes, the people that I have seen first hand all originate from the same location, as a third generation Romanian, I know the people that originated from my homeland.

You are the one generalising, not me. I was quite specific in my comment, the people I have seen in my own town are all first generation Romanian immigrants, they are trash, pick pockets, money launderers and cocaine peddlers, hopefully this clears it up for you, yet it sounds like you still want them here, if you feel so strongly, house one of them. They will take everything you own.

None, I shall remain here until my dying day.
Our parents are getting to an age were they are going to start needing help from us. We have 3 children all settled in their educational environments, OH has 2 grown up children with their own children. We'd give up to much to move.
Not that I want to, I'll just roll with the punches I suppose.

Who will do the jobs that people in this country don't want to do. A lot of them would rather sit around claiming pip for mental health or UC waiting for the next handout because they don't want to work. There needs to be a change not to immigration but to the benefits system. After Brexit a lot of professionals either left the country for better pay or went back to their European country because they didn't feel welcome. We need immigration not only for professional jobs but also the menial jobs that English people don't want to do so taxes can be paid.

@AlasPoor I meant under 30's not 20's. I might as well include the under 40's who can't work because of their mental health. I have suffered with my mental health but it has never stopped me from working. I couldn't live on benefits.

We have 21 million on benefits that should be taking those jobs on.

Some of those are State Pensioners who are no longer working.

7.9 m are on Universal Credit.

Nobody is proposing stopping immigration though.

3.7 million on PIP
7.9 million on UC
What do you want? The above numbers are troubling what about sorting that out before anything else.

They don't want to lose their benefits they have to blame someone.

I really don't think criticism of those on Benefits is an answer to migration concerns.