Which country will you move to if Reform win next election?

[Krenonges]

Faced with the prospect of NHS being sold off, ICE-style immigration raids and deportations, emboldened bigots, changes to the school curriculum, public services dessimated, leaving EHCR, I honestly think I'll have no choice but to leave. I don't want to but I couldn't bring DC up in fascist state.

Luckily my DH, DC and I are all dual nationals of an EU country so we have an escape route if needed and this country goes to the dogs.

Where would you go?

Already in Ireland 10 years. Only I thing I miss about the UK is days out around London.

Dear o lord. Really. You are so invested in denial that you’d rather contradict peoples lived experience than give a fair hearing to fellow citizens.

Thousands of people are voting Reform but they're never going to admit it out loud, for fear of being called racist! That's why it's always surprising to everyone when there's so much support for Reform. I know lots of people who support Reform but when asked by others, they'll say another party.

Why leave when you can fight? We got rid of them once before. Good far outweighs the bad in this country, even though, at the moment, they're shouting the loudest.

You do think that, though – it’s just that in your model they become chattel to be exploited by the destination state.

If it were solely a matter of personal choice then that would be one thing. But you’re leaving out of account the effect on other people (in this case, the ability of British workers to get a higher wage for doing care work).

It's personal for the immigrants in this country who have to sleep with one eye open. They have to live in fear that a thug could kill them. Do you still believe the UK is blameless in it's involvement in Afghanistan? I can tell you one thing that is fact they weren't there to protect the women.

Where do you get your views from?

If we want workers to receive a higher wage for care work we need to accept paying more. Which will add more to the social-support budget and lead to more talk of how unsustainable looking after the disabled is (and more discussion of benefit scroungers)
Supply demand doesn't work in this instant because there is already a huge shortage of care workers in this country. To the extent that some places are facing severe shortages. If restricting immigration was going to push up wages (by reducing the number of people willing to work for a low wage) then wages would already be going up to meet the existing shortage. There just isn't the money available, and where there is it is often creamed of by unethical business practices.

But it matters because as soon as you break the rules of the game they are broken for everyone. Eg, noone on this thread has said that if Reform were democratically elected they would storm the Houses of Parliament and try to hang the speaker of the House of Commons. This happened in America.

@Namitynamename I think if Reform were to elected all hell would break loose and the poll tax riots and BLM riots would seem like a tea party for members of the Jane Austen Society.
I think there would be a section of the UK left who would not take an elected Reform government lying down and they would do what they could by violent means or otherwise to bring the country to a halt.

What is 3rd world immigration

immigration from third world countries,

and what do you mean voters were not asked?

There was no Government mandate for mass immigration. Public opinion has been consistently against it.

More like leave if Labour were to remain. I would give Reform a chance,

I ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ Scotland, nothing would make me wanna leave. Reform ain't getting in here, although they might be better than the SNP 😂

I can't wait for reform to get in!

What, even under the shambolic SNP 😂

I wish any goernment would review the mess that is the NHS. Other countries in Europe have found ways to do it without selling the services off yet the same lound mouths start bleating that some people dont have a penny to their name and look down the sofa for pennies.

That is not a reason to not review it and I bet people who are claiming they will move end up not going anywhere. Moving to another country isnt easy and of course you have to assume that the country wants YOU

What policies do you like?

Invested in denial of what, exactly?

Her ‘lived experience’ may well have led to concerns about the impact of immigration, but her comments are also loaded with racism: if you can’t see the difference, then I’d suggest that it’s you who is in denial. ‘If people want a ‘fair hearing’ and for people to stop accusing them of being racist, then maybe they should try to communicate their points without being racist.

Why? What are you most looking forward to?

But so far, the only recent violent insurrection against a democratically elected government happened in America, and it involves Republican supporters and, crucially, was sort of supported by the now president Donald Trump. Whom Farage looks up to. We have had large peaceful protests by people on the right and the left. We have had peaceful disruptions. We have also had a small minority causing violence or rooting on the left and the right (although I would point out the BLM protests in the UK were mostly non violent so it's not fair to characterise them as riots. Unlike BLM protests in America or the anti-immigrant riots in 2024. Or the 2011.protests)

Are there crazy people in the UK on the left? Almost undoubtedly. But, much as I have my issues with Keir Starmer I can't see him acting in the same way that Trump did in 2020. In fact I can't imagine any political party leaders (of the Greens, the Liberal Democrats, Jeremy Corbyn etc).

In fact, the recent banning of puberty blockers based on medical evidence received far less push back than you might expect. Probably because there isn't the full blown extremism on the left that Elon Musk would have you believe. I don't think you have that many anti-democracy far right extremists either. The vast majority of people who are anti-immigration/thinking of voting reform do not want to fight with the left. Unfortunately Elon Musk does want there to be some big violent showdown and he is way too connected with people like Garage for my liking.

They are looking forward to poverty. This is how one reform teenage MP runs their council. They don't know what they are doing neither does their voters.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jul/23/reform-councillors-criticised-after-voting-to-spend-150000-on-political-advisers

wish any goernment would review the mess that is the NHS. Other countries in Europe have found ways to do it without selling the services off yet

I’m pretty sure one of Reforms policies is to move to a European/semi insurance type funding system. The NHS has not been sustainable under the ridiculous levels of mass immigration for many years.

You've misquoted me to fit your narrative. Or are just stupid and are incapable of reading properly.

Spain? Nope thank you!

Can you show how immigration has impacted the NHS?

This is one of Reform’s ideas in much the same way as a ‘Norway type deal’ was floated as an idea pre referendum.
It will turn out we need the Good ole USA to help us out with private healthcare though in the end.