Which country will you move to if Reform win next election?

[Krenonges]

Faced with the prospect of NHS being sold off, ICE-style immigration raids and deportations, emboldened bigots, changes to the school curriculum, public services dessimated, leaving EHCR, I honestly think I'll have no choice but to leave. I don't want to but I couldn't bring DC up in fascist state.

Luckily my DH, DC and I are all dual nationals of an EU country so we have an escape route if needed and this country goes to the dogs.

Where would you go?

It was in response to a blameless UK you took my comment the wrong way. That's what is happening. Another poster responded to me saying that Ukrainians know how to integrate. I can't be arsed to respond to that. I was listening to the radio a man said he can't take Tommy Robinson and co seriously because after they leave they are eating curry and Chinese. They are a joke. Kemi Badenoch is a joke what is coming out of her mouth is shocking and people can't take her seriously.

Immigration is not as big an issue now the right wing papers is telling you it is. The numbers have gone down compared to when Tories were in power. How will this country survive without immigration?

India ( the example I gave) is a Commonwealth Country. There is ‘permission granted’ and systems in place since 1950.

Families I have worked with from Pakistan also have requirements to meet. My employee married a Pakistani lady. He needed to earn £28,000 a year, before his wife could join him here. He upped his hours to meet this. She joined him and also had to work (local factory with loads of vacancies).

https://www.gov.uk/world/coming-to-the-uk-india

It won't. My husband is an immigrant. My parents were immigrants.
We have raised our non white children to be productive members of society. It's very upsetting to us to see that march last Saturday and those entrenched views. I worry about our society and how polarised it has become recently. I worry for my adult DC as they try to forge a future. It's frightening.

Yes - I’m sure there’d be a welcome in the hillside…not.

I’m smiling wryly at these people who just assume the destination country would be simply thrilled to have them!🤣

How will this country survive without immigration?

Is anybody suggestion no immigration? You seem to fight straw man after straw man and still come off worse.

Care home pays minimum wage. Locally, they have an ‘entry bonus’ to attract staff.

Why are there vacancies when UK residents are unemployed?

We could move it on, why do share holders take so much money out of the social care system?

Running down local authorities to the point where private care companies thrive also means staff aren't paid more. Conservative policy to privatise.

Good point. Nobody on here has suggested zero immigration, everyone seems to be well aware of that.

True.

That isn’t the population of the UK being asked if they consent to mass immigration.

Side point, but £28k is way below net contributor levels. Repeated in the millions, this dramatically lowers U.K. GDP per capita and quality of life.

I know, I did laugh at the Singapore one - liberal democracy it is not!
I do wonder if some people have even travelled round Europe. Sadly, I've found racism very evident even in EU countries.

3.4 million under 20's on PIP how will that get paid if the majority can't work?

Yes, those are key questions. Care Homes are certainly good business.

Are you responding to my question or did you quote me in error? I’m not following

There are no available government statistics for under 20s on PIP. However, the total for England and Wales is 3.7 million claimants in total, so it seems very unlikely.
Where did you get that statistic from?

Finding an upholsterer made me laugh.
I've lived in three countries and never needed one.

Not having the funds would be the main reason that I wouldn't move - but I'd be able to sort all the things you mention quite quickly on the internet. There is loads of info online to help people move.

A referendum on immigration- really.
we don’t want another Brexit - and that’s what it would be, as no one would agree what ‘mass’ means, what routes to keep etc. For every ‘no’ voter there’d be a different opinion.
The options are in voting, and in lobbying (government not hotels).

Ireland for me.

I’ve citizenship and family there - DC also eligible for citizenship.

Why oh why is anyone taken in by Reform - the disdain for the common people dripping off Farage is palpable! Are voters impressed by his excellent track record as MP? Or by how his “party” is performing in local government? I mean really!!

When are you planning to move? I think property prices are no longer in UK residents' favour.

It is a historic arrangement, based on need.

That is a historic figure (2015).

Certainly changes the rhetoric of anyone can come here and live off us for free.

Many UK citizens don't earn that amount and live off the tax payer too.

Many UK citizens don't earn that amount and live off the tax payer too

Very true.

That’s completely irrelevant. They are living in their own country.

Radio 4 Wednesday morning. That's even higher 3.7 million i might have heard wrong I was trying to find it online. There is statistics online showing 1.4 million on PIP for mental health.

I have read 3.7m for England and Wales, in total.
They have no statistics for the under 20s.

None of it makes any sense. In economic terms the most efficient solution is for care home businesses to set up in India and Nigeria and we export our old people there.

@AlasPoor In terms of immigration, the pattern has changed significantly and it has also increased hugely since Brexit - less EU residents, as those who worked here left the UK after the Referendum; in return, we’ve had large numbers of immigration for the rest of the world, including some of the countries you’ve referred to. Experts did try to explain the likelihood of these changes in pattern before people voted to leave, but they were dismissed. Farage, as key architect of Brexit, needs to be held accountable more for his part in this and this was all under a Tory government. The notion that voting for these same people to solve the immigration problem you speak of is baffling to me.