Which country will you move to if Reform win next election?

[Krenonges]

Faced with the prospect of NHS being sold off, ICE-style immigration raids and deportations, emboldened bigots, changes to the school curriculum, public services dessimated, leaving EHCR, I honestly think I'll have no choice but to leave. I don't want to but I couldn't bring DC up in fascist state.

Luckily my DH, DC and I are all dual nationals of an EU country so we have an escape route if needed and this country goes to the dogs.

Where would you go?

What is 3rd world immigration and what do you mean voters were not asked?

All theft, drug addiction and money laundering in your area comes from one geographical location?

All of it?

And you know this how?

Isn’t Australia on the list for you if Reform get in?

We are not “stripping staff from poor countries”.

They are making a choice to migrate. You talk about people as if they are chattel - the property of their countries of birth.

When did I say I am moving to Australia if Reform gets in (or any of the other things in your post?)

It is a racist expression though.

I thought the issue was unskilled migrants but apparently the issue is “The Third World” whatever that means.

@JHoundwhen you say you’ll go is Australia included for you?

No where

The UK politics tends to stay somewhere in the middle, I do not doubt Reform will win many more seats but it will not be a landslide and that is what they shall need

Jordon Bardella is very popular in France and appears to be connecting with younger voters I feel if he does run and win other this will give the right wing parties a further boost in europe

@JHound yep that’s my view too - if that’s what British want and actually buy into -and given our electoral system then yep I’m in the wrong place - so simply will vote with our feet whilst able to , and yes very aware nowhere is perfect having lived abroad before.

When did I say I will go?

Australia obviously is part of my back up plan given I am a citizen of Australia. But you seem to be erecting multiple strawmen about my own concerns about what society will look like under a Reform government.

If you read the thread then that would help.

I think you're making a good point.
My husband is a migrant from one of these countries. It was his conscious decision, for a better life. He has always worked hard, and been law abiding and part of UK society, and we have raised our children with similar values.
I think migration is complicated and so varied, it's really not fair when people make judgements.
The issue does seem to be about refugees, asylum seekers and general migration, and how it all gets managed.

It’s great if people mean it and do as this thread suggests, no objection to that but often it’s somewhere like Denmark or Australia who already have tough policies.

Australia may have “tough policies” but, to repeat it has a higher rate of immigration and a larger immigrant population (almost double) than the UK.

It’s points based migration system is absolutely comparable with the UK.

I have read the thread thanks and you’ve confirmed you would go to Australia where policies are tougher. So what I said does stand, you will overlook those policies.

Well that’s the issue isn’t it, in a nutshell? What’s the unit around which we should organise things – national economies, or one big global economy?

If you want to know what the dividing line is going to be as we move forward, it’s probably that.

I wouldn't leave my country just because someone I don't like got elected. That includes Reform.

However, I dont think the only issue with Reform is their immigration policy. Other countries and outs (Labour) are pivoting to a harder immigration policy. Low taxes V high taxes; tougher border V immigration are all quite standard political positions that can be reversed
It's his admiration for people like Trump who I think fundamentally don't believe in democracy that's more dangerous

You can have 2 voters. One who is completely open borders and one opposed to any immigration at all who both, nonetheless, settle their differences at the voting booth or through the courts, or through peaceful protest (both side do protest). Sometimes you win sometimes you lose. But Trump has been quite gleeful in ripping up American conventions around the power of Congress and making the Presidency much more powerful than it was ever intended to be (not the first president to do this but definitely the one to do it to this extent). He has overridden the powers of the courts. And then there was January 6th. That's very different to someone like Meloni who is very "hard right" and whose party comes from an actual fascist background but so far at least hasn't been trying to label her political opponents as enemies, or encourage insurrections against democratic elections.
Farage does seem to absolutely worship Trump and his methods. Hopefully that's just about securing political funding and support...
But it matters because as soon as you break the rules of the game they are broken for everyone. Eg, noone on this thread has said that if Reform were democratically elected they would storm the Houses of Parliament and try to hang the speaker of the House of Commons. This happened in America. You might protest (as people did on Saturday and as people do against immigrant removals) but it's beneficial to everyone to broadly follow the "rules". Farage seems to delight in undermining the rules which is bad for everyone (if Reform are elected and started targeting their political "enemies" even for Reform supporters that's bad because the next government could target them). And so you spiral down and it's quite hard to break free from the downwards spiral once that happens. As we are seeing in America.

@EasternStandard yep I do think people need to understand that unless you have passports for elsewhere or can qualify under assets or passive income or can move offices within your present company so you can’t work within that country unless it’s for yourself, it really isn’t as simple as many think - we wanted to go to Sweden ( having lived in Denmark) but criteria is actually very tough ( to be frank it’s easier as a genuine refugee) and it’s a very long process and requires considerable amounts of cash you can just leave lying in your account for several years. It doesn’t have nomad visas -

Why ignore the asylum system? It’s a large factor rn here for political pressure.

You definitely haven’t read it. What “tough policies” have I objected to that you claim are tougher in Australia?

Actual quotes, not strawmen.

Also quote me saying “I will go to Australia”.

Thanks.

Here it wasn’t long ago.

Because the claim is about the rapid growth in population and strain on resources.

The asylum seeker population is a small percentage of overall foreign born numbers and Australia has asylum policy.

Where in there does it say “I will go to Australia”?

Yes it can be tough. People seem to be selecting countries that are rigorous, especially when it comes to asylum process. If a politician here said we’ll copy Australia / other strict country for example would people be annoyed with that and end up going there to avoid it?

What’s going on that if the same is said here they actually go to that place instead. Seems like a disconnect, it’s a negative here but a positive there.

I don’t think people should be viewed as chattel.

That does not equate to being opposed to national economies.

I hope Scotland gains independence- would move there.