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Brother trashed the house while we were away TW: abuse

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Catar · 13/09/2025 18:59

Hi all, not even sure what I want posting this but my head is all over. Just got back this morning after being away with DP and the boys (DS3.5 and DS8mo). We only went an hour and a half away, Tuesday to today, just a little break. Came home and the house is absolutely trashed. My little brother who has just turned 18 is living here and honestly I feel like we’re at breaking point.

Bit of backstory. I’m 17 years older than him, I was basically grown when he was little. Our mum had what we now know was Munchausen by proxy with him, but back then everyone thought she was just struggling with a “poorly” child. She convinced doctors he had all sorts, dragged him in and out of hospitals, had schools thinking he was fragile. The only thing real is he’s type 1 diabetic. But even that she sort of used to make herself look like this amazing mum who was coping. He actually missed huge chunks of school from reception onwards, then she de-registered him completely at about 9 “for home ed” but she never taught him a thing. He can barely read now, writing is basically just a few words. All those years she was claiming DLA then later PIP for him.

When he was 17 she kicked him out after a massive row and I had to phone SS because he was still a child legally. They were useless tbh. Came out, spoke to him, said he was nearly 18 so not much they could do. I’ve reported concerns so many times over the years but each time my mum would cut me off and then later pretend nothing had happened. It’s always been me trying to pick up the pieces.

He’s 18 now but he’s like a lost little boy and also an absolute nightmare. He won’t go to therapy, refuses point blank, says everyone is against him. He doesn’t manage his diabetes properly at all, sometimes doesn’t take his insulin, sometimes injects too much, sometimes I have to beg him to let me do it. He drinks loads of monster and eats crap and then crashes. He’s constantly in and out of A&E, I’m waiting for the day I get the call that something awfuls happened.

His behaviour here is just off the scale. He smokes weed in his room, leaves food and dirty dishes everywhere, steals DP’s vape stuff and alcohol. He lies constantly, gets aggressive if you call him out, I’ve found used condoms in the bathroom bin, burnt spoons in his room, god knows what he’s been doing. He goes through my stuff too, I found my bank card hidden in his drawer once, he said he “borrowed” it but there was a £60 Deliveroo order on it.

He’s got no social skills at all, he doesn’t know how to be around people. It’s like he’s been trapped in a bubble his whole life. We just got home today and it’s disgusting. Plates of mouldy food in the living room, carpet ruined, my little one’s toys smashed, DS3.5’s little chair snapped in half. There’s fag burns on the sofa and he’s written on the wall in sharpie. Our bedroom has been gone through, I know because DP had hid some money in the wardrobe and it’s gone. There was actual sick in the sink too, just left there. And he’s also left his bloody needles lying about, which is terrifying with the babies here.

DP is at the end of his tether, says we can’t live like this and he needs to go. But where? He can’t look after himself. He’s still like a child in his head. He doesn’t cook anything other than chips or noodles in the microwave, doesn’t shower unless told, doesn’t wash clothes. He doesn’t understand basic life stuff because mum literally kept him so dependent.

Part of me feels desperately sorry for him, he had no chance with mum, she ruined his education and made him sick in the head about being ill all the time. His dad has never been in his life, mum abused him, so I’m all he really has. I don’t want to just abandon him. He can actually be really good with DS3.5, they’ll sit and play cars together for ages and DS adores him, but then the next minute he’s raging about something stupid and slamming doors and breaking things.

I feel guilty leaving him but I also feel like he’s dangerous to have around my kids. I just don’t know what to do anymore. I can’t be his carer, I’ve got two little boys and a DP who’s at breaking point. But if I kick him out where will he go? He has no job, no friends that aren’t into drugs, he doesn’t even know how to fill a form in. I honestly think he can’t even apply for universal credit without someone sitting with him.

Sorry this is so long and rambly.

OP posts:
KTheGrey · 13/09/2025 19:06

DP is right. This is not your fault and you do need to act to protect your children.

It sounds like he has been using in your house and this is not safe for your very small children.

He can go to a hostel and it may give him the wake up call he needs to sort himself out but you really can’t do that for him.

I hope somebody will come along in a minute to give you some useful contacts - I would start with social services and housing.

pikkumyy77 · 13/09/2025 19:08

You have to turn him over to social services. He is not capable of living safely on his own. And he is not safe living with you and your child. He is an irrational, emotional, traumatized, angry, mentally unwell, addict self medicating for his internal pain with increasingly hard drugs.

You can give him an ultimatum: get therapy, rake meds, attend school and learn to read and write, or leave. He can choose.

WrylyAmused · 13/09/2025 19:09

I'm so sorry, that's really tragic.

However, you cannot have someone like that in your home with small children, your DP is right.

You need to take him to the council housing office, get him to present as homeless (don't mention the possible drugs, as they won't then support him, and also don't let them pressure you into taking him back to your house, which they'll try to do).

And then get him signposted to as many charities and support services as you can. It's up to him whether he engages or not.

It's not his fault, and it's tragic, but he's an adult and it is now his own responsibility to do the work to fix the things in his life that your mother unfortunately fucked up for him, just as it is your responsibility to prioritise your own children and look after them.

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 13/09/2025 19:10

There must be some form of assisted housing out there. Social Services.

You cannot continue to have him living in your home, he is a danger to your children, your children are your priority and responsibility not your brother.

ThejoyofNC · 13/09/2025 19:13

You cannot have someone leaving drugs and needles around your home with young children.

Hibernatingtilspring · 13/09/2025 19:14

It's very unlikely he would qualify for any support from adult social services, however he may be eligible for supported housing schemes by charities for people with drug and alcohol issues and/or mental health issues. If he's not willing to consider that (support services would require him to want to reduce or abstain) then he needs to look at the homeless route - though it would likely be at best the type of hostel accommodation where drug use is rife, and only if you're near a major city.
It sounds really hard, you can be clear that you're willing to support him but that you can't have him live with you - it's too risky with young children in the house.

RandomMess · 13/09/2025 19:16

Report him to social services as a vulnerable adult and service him notice that he has to leave so he can present himself to the council as homeless.

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Catar · 13/09/2025 19:17

Just to add so there's no confusion, the needles he left lying around were from his insulin pen - not drugs but I agree he shouldnt have left them around regardless of whether the DC were here or not.

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NeverDropYourMooncup · 13/09/2025 19:20

Catar · 13/09/2025 19:17

Just to add so there's no confusion, the needles he left lying around were from his insulin pen - not drugs but I agree he shouldnt have left them around regardless of whether the DC were here or not.

If he's leaving burned spoons around, he isn't only injecting insulin.

You need to make him leave now. Not later, not tomorrow, not when somebody comes along and waves a magic wand to magic up a nice little flat - now.

GAJLY · 13/09/2025 19:26

I agree with your husband, he is a man now and your priority is your children. Take him to the council house Monday morning with a packed bag, he needs to tell them that he has been kicked out and homeless. They have to home him somewhere, will probably be a hotel room. He has to start standing on his own 2 feet. He can register with social services as a vulnerable adult.

Hoardasurass · 13/09/2025 19:26

@Catar he needs to leave before social services take your dc.
Oh the spoon is for cooking his heroine

cannynotsay · 13/09/2025 19:27

This is awful, but you have to let him go. Regardless of the fact this isn’t safe for any of you, you’re enabling him. He needs help as isn’t getting it there x

Hibernatingtilspring · 13/09/2025 19:27

Yeah you don't burn spoons for any other reason than cooking up drugs. If he's in the UK, heroin is mostly likely, though can also be crack or meth. It would certainly fit with a lot of the other behaviours you've described too.
With his upbringing I can sympathise why he might have ended up that way, but you still can't have him around young kids when he's actively using and as chaotic as you've described.

MNdrama · 13/09/2025 19:30

Catar · 13/09/2025 18:59

Hi all, not even sure what I want posting this but my head is all over. Just got back this morning after being away with DP and the boys (DS3.5 and DS8mo). We only went an hour and a half away, Tuesday to today, just a little break. Came home and the house is absolutely trashed. My little brother who has just turned 18 is living here and honestly I feel like we’re at breaking point.

Bit of backstory. I’m 17 years older than him, I was basically grown when he was little. Our mum had what we now know was Munchausen by proxy with him, but back then everyone thought she was just struggling with a “poorly” child. She convinced doctors he had all sorts, dragged him in and out of hospitals, had schools thinking he was fragile. The only thing real is he’s type 1 diabetic. But even that she sort of used to make herself look like this amazing mum who was coping. He actually missed huge chunks of school from reception onwards, then she de-registered him completely at about 9 “for home ed” but she never taught him a thing. He can barely read now, writing is basically just a few words. All those years she was claiming DLA then later PIP for him.

When he was 17 she kicked him out after a massive row and I had to phone SS because he was still a child legally. They were useless tbh. Came out, spoke to him, said he was nearly 18 so not much they could do. I’ve reported concerns so many times over the years but each time my mum would cut me off and then later pretend nothing had happened. It’s always been me trying to pick up the pieces.

He’s 18 now but he’s like a lost little boy and also an absolute nightmare. He won’t go to therapy, refuses point blank, says everyone is against him. He doesn’t manage his diabetes properly at all, sometimes doesn’t take his insulin, sometimes injects too much, sometimes I have to beg him to let me do it. He drinks loads of monster and eats crap and then crashes. He’s constantly in and out of A&E, I’m waiting for the day I get the call that something awfuls happened.

His behaviour here is just off the scale. He smokes weed in his room, leaves food and dirty dishes everywhere, steals DP’s vape stuff and alcohol. He lies constantly, gets aggressive if you call him out, I’ve found used condoms in the bathroom bin, burnt spoons in his room, god knows what he’s been doing. He goes through my stuff too, I found my bank card hidden in his drawer once, he said he “borrowed” it but there was a £60 Deliveroo order on it.

He’s got no social skills at all, he doesn’t know how to be around people. It’s like he’s been trapped in a bubble his whole life. We just got home today and it’s disgusting. Plates of mouldy food in the living room, carpet ruined, my little one’s toys smashed, DS3.5’s little chair snapped in half. There’s fag burns on the sofa and he’s written on the wall in sharpie. Our bedroom has been gone through, I know because DP had hid some money in the wardrobe and it’s gone. There was actual sick in the sink too, just left there. And he’s also left his bloody needles lying about, which is terrifying with the babies here.

DP is at the end of his tether, says we can’t live like this and he needs to go. But where? He can’t look after himself. He’s still like a child in his head. He doesn’t cook anything other than chips or noodles in the microwave, doesn’t shower unless told, doesn’t wash clothes. He doesn’t understand basic life stuff because mum literally kept him so dependent.

Part of me feels desperately sorry for him, he had no chance with mum, she ruined his education and made him sick in the head about being ill all the time. His dad has never been in his life, mum abused him, so I’m all he really has. I don’t want to just abandon him. He can actually be really good with DS3.5, they’ll sit and play cars together for ages and DS adores him, but then the next minute he’s raging about something stupid and slamming doors and breaking things.

I feel guilty leaving him but I also feel like he’s dangerous to have around my kids. I just don’t know what to do anymore. I can’t be his carer, I’ve got two little boys and a DP who’s at breaking point. But if I kick him out where will he go? He has no job, no friends that aren’t into drugs, he doesn’t even know how to fill a form in. I honestly think he can’t even apply for universal credit without someone sitting with him.

Sorry this is so long and rambly.

Hate to say it, but even though it's obviously better he gets help, he needs to leave (and if he goes to jail, becomes homeless, etc, so be it)

If you had no children, it'd be different, but you can't have this affect your two children

Hibernatingtilspring · 13/09/2025 19:33

GAJLY · 13/09/2025 19:26

I agree with your husband, he is a man now and your priority is your children. Take him to the council house Monday morning with a packed bag, he needs to tell them that he has been kicked out and homeless. They have to home him somewhere, will probably be a hotel room. He has to start standing on his own 2 feet. He can register with social services as a vulnerable adult.

OP usually I'd caution against this simply because the advice on Mumsnet is often incorrect - whilst a parent with a dependant child will be given somewhere, the vast majority of single adults can be left with no where to go, they can literally tell the council they'll be sleeping on the streets and the council can give them a leaflet and close the door. However if he's reliant on insulin - which requires him to have access to a fridge - he will most likely be given emergency accommodation. It's one of the very few criteria that would mean he would be deemed unusually vulnerable if he were on the streets (sadly, things like having a trauma background, illiteracy or most mental health issues don't qualify, they're considered par for the course if you're homeless)

PinkyFlamingo · 13/09/2025 19:40

I get why you say you feel guilty but you need to wake up and see the damage him staying there is doing to your family. You are actually neglecting your children exposing them to this. Not sure why you thought leaving him alone in your house was a good idea either! I know you will be upset and say of course you're not neglecting your children, but you need to put them and your DH first.

mathanxiety · 13/09/2025 19:55

He's cooking heroin and using his insulin needles to inject it.

You need to take this situation extremely seriously, and you need to make your DP and your children a promise that once he's out of your house, you will never put your desire to save your brother from himself and from your mother ahead of their welfare again.

In light of the very clear drug use, theft, and deliberate damage to property (smashing toys, etc) I'd call police. As a result, a social services referral may be made to ensure your children are safe. That is how serious all of this is.

The police can signpost B to social services, housing, etc. Wash your hands of this. Change your locks when he's gone. Change your wifi password.

VivaForever81 · 13/09/2025 20:00

Where’s your mum in all this, she created these issues.

Chillyourbeansweeman · 13/09/2025 20:00

Contact your local drug and addiction services. Teen challenge are very good. Make an appointment with someone and explain your circumstances. Teen challenge may be able to find a place in a rehab which would also help teach him to look after himself and read and write.
www.teenchallenge.org.uk/index.php/contact

pilates · 13/09/2025 20:05

You need to prioritise your children. He needs professional support far more than you can give him.

Catar · 13/09/2025 20:06

I did trust him to be here while we went away, I honestly thought it would be ok for a few days. I was calling him every day while we were gone, checking in, reminding him to take his insulin and eat properly. He was saying everything was fine, so coming home to the state of the house has been such a shock.

I get that he’s technically an adult now, but I can’t shake the fact that he is so vulnerable. He can’t even properly manage his insulin without me nagging him, and if he gets it wrong it’s not just “he’ll feel rough” it’s literally life or death. I worry if I just pack his bag and send him off to the council or whatever he’ll end up really unwell or worse, and then it’s on me. He could actually kill himself by accident, just by messing up his injections, he doesn’t understand the seriousness.

I know DP and the boys have to come first, I do. But I keep thinking if I kick him out I’ll be signing his death warrant. That’s the part I’m really struggling with.

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OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 13/09/2025 20:09

He is not your responsibility.

What if your husband walks out on you and takes the children.

What if Social Services get involved re your children...

pinkyredrose · 13/09/2025 20:09

Drop him at the housing office first thing Monday and leave him there, change the locks and put his stuff outside. Harsh but you need to protect your kids.

Beachtastic · 13/09/2025 20:10

I knew someone very much like this. Your brother sounds like a smackhead. He might be masking mental illness such as schizophrenia. He need a mental health assessment but good luck with that, given that he will avoid it and probably talk a good game if necessary. Your only option I'm afraid is to cut him out of your life for your own safety.

Barney16 · 13/09/2025 20:11

This is tragic and I feel for him and for you and your husband and children. Your brother needs help and a lot of it. He needs something residential that would combine help for his addiction and some sort of supported living element. He needs counselling, not six sessions of CBT but therapy. Ring social services, also Google your local authority and youth services. If he's too old for youth services they should be able to signpost you to organisations that can help. At the moment he's unsafe, to himself and to your children. Is there any where else he could stay, any other relatives, short term?