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Brother trashed the house while we were away TW: abuse

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Catar · 13/09/2025 18:59

Hi all, not even sure what I want posting this but my head is all over. Just got back this morning after being away with DP and the boys (DS3.5 and DS8mo). We only went an hour and a half away, Tuesday to today, just a little break. Came home and the house is absolutely trashed. My little brother who has just turned 18 is living here and honestly I feel like we’re at breaking point.

Bit of backstory. I’m 17 years older than him, I was basically grown when he was little. Our mum had what we now know was Munchausen by proxy with him, but back then everyone thought she was just struggling with a “poorly” child. She convinced doctors he had all sorts, dragged him in and out of hospitals, had schools thinking he was fragile. The only thing real is he’s type 1 diabetic. But even that she sort of used to make herself look like this amazing mum who was coping. He actually missed huge chunks of school from reception onwards, then she de-registered him completely at about 9 “for home ed” but she never taught him a thing. He can barely read now, writing is basically just a few words. All those years she was claiming DLA then later PIP for him.

When he was 17 she kicked him out after a massive row and I had to phone SS because he was still a child legally. They were useless tbh. Came out, spoke to him, said he was nearly 18 so not much they could do. I’ve reported concerns so many times over the years but each time my mum would cut me off and then later pretend nothing had happened. It’s always been me trying to pick up the pieces.

He’s 18 now but he’s like a lost little boy and also an absolute nightmare. He won’t go to therapy, refuses point blank, says everyone is against him. He doesn’t manage his diabetes properly at all, sometimes doesn’t take his insulin, sometimes injects too much, sometimes I have to beg him to let me do it. He drinks loads of monster and eats crap and then crashes. He’s constantly in and out of A&E, I’m waiting for the day I get the call that something awfuls happened.

His behaviour here is just off the scale. He smokes weed in his room, leaves food and dirty dishes everywhere, steals DP’s vape stuff and alcohol. He lies constantly, gets aggressive if you call him out, I’ve found used condoms in the bathroom bin, burnt spoons in his room, god knows what he’s been doing. He goes through my stuff too, I found my bank card hidden in his drawer once, he said he “borrowed” it but there was a £60 Deliveroo order on it.

He’s got no social skills at all, he doesn’t know how to be around people. It’s like he’s been trapped in a bubble his whole life. We just got home today and it’s disgusting. Plates of mouldy food in the living room, carpet ruined, my little one’s toys smashed, DS3.5’s little chair snapped in half. There’s fag burns on the sofa and he’s written on the wall in sharpie. Our bedroom has been gone through, I know because DP had hid some money in the wardrobe and it’s gone. There was actual sick in the sink too, just left there. And he’s also left his bloody needles lying about, which is terrifying with the babies here.

DP is at the end of his tether, says we can’t live like this and he needs to go. But where? He can’t look after himself. He’s still like a child in his head. He doesn’t cook anything other than chips or noodles in the microwave, doesn’t shower unless told, doesn’t wash clothes. He doesn’t understand basic life stuff because mum literally kept him so dependent.

Part of me feels desperately sorry for him, he had no chance with mum, she ruined his education and made him sick in the head about being ill all the time. His dad has never been in his life, mum abused him, so I’m all he really has. I don’t want to just abandon him. He can actually be really good with DS3.5, they’ll sit and play cars together for ages and DS adores him, but then the next minute he’s raging about something stupid and slamming doors and breaking things.

I feel guilty leaving him but I also feel like he’s dangerous to have around my kids. I just don’t know what to do anymore. I can’t be his carer, I’ve got two little boys and a DP who’s at breaking point. But if I kick him out where will he go? He has no job, no friends that aren’t into drugs, he doesn’t even know how to fill a form in. I honestly think he can’t even apply for universal credit without someone sitting with him.

Sorry this is so long and rambly.

OP posts:
sophiecygnet · 14/09/2025 09:44

You must be so torn between responsibilities to your DC and DP and your natural feelings to your brother.
Time though to be practical; You OP are not trained in this kind of work and he is too close to you for it to be practical. His only chance of turning his life around is to have help from people who are trained and motivated in a residential situation.
Perhaps the local Authority, perhaps a charity that works with homeless street people.
I hope you can arrange something soon.

ttcat37 · 14/09/2025 09:45

It’s not your fault and he’s not your problem. You clearly thought he was mature and responsible enough to look after himself and the house whilst you were away, so it seems that he has the awareness to know that his behaviour would be wrong.
Your children are in danger and you’re not protecting them whilst your brother is living with you. You need to either make your brother leave, or you need to move out with your brother and leave your children safe with their father.

Beachtastic · 14/09/2025 09:59

You need to be able to trust him to stay in your house alone. Therapy and adult education. Help with his addictions.

A burnt spoon, in the UK, would usually mean injecting heroin. Is the kitchen foil going missing too? (that would mean he's smoking it)

The problems with this guy run deep and can't just be polished off with a damp cloth. Heroin is a particularly difficult drug to stop, partly because it's so addictive and partly because the reasons for taking it are so complex.

I knew someone very much like this, and he actually had a shitload of MH problems (bipolar/schizophrenia) that he was self-medicating. It was easy to overlook those because his odd behaviour and outlook were easily attributable to his terrible childhood. Unpicking this sort of thing is a job for the specialists, if you can get them to take an interest in him and vice versa, which isn't easy either.

Whatever's going on in his head is likely to be very chaotic and the trashed house is just a tiny clue. It's like watching a slow-motion car crash, which is desperately sad, but you can't have him crashing into your family OP.

NewName12345678910 · 14/09/2025 10:00

pikkumyy77 · 13/09/2025 19:08

You have to turn him over to social services. He is not capable of living safely on his own. And he is not safe living with you and your child. He is an irrational, emotional, traumatized, angry, mentally unwell, addict self medicating for his internal pain with increasingly hard drugs.

You can give him an ultimatum: get therapy, rake meds, attend school and learn to read and write, or leave. He can choose.

Social services won’t do anything. He’s an adult making adult choices. Not saying this is right, just going by unfortunate experience with a family member.

DiscoBob · 14/09/2025 10:01

Catar · 13/09/2025 19:17

Just to add so there's no confusion, the needles he left lying around were from his insulin pen - not drugs but I agree he shouldnt have left them around regardless of whether the DC were here or not.

You say that, but you mention burnt spoons. I don't know many drugs where you use those except heroin. So he could be using the needles for that. Either way they could be contaminated so it's dangerous.

EuclidianGeometryFan · 14/09/2025 10:05

Catar · 13/09/2025 20:06

I did trust him to be here while we went away, I honestly thought it would be ok for a few days. I was calling him every day while we were gone, checking in, reminding him to take his insulin and eat properly. He was saying everything was fine, so coming home to the state of the house has been such a shock.

I get that he’s technically an adult now, but I can’t shake the fact that he is so vulnerable. He can’t even properly manage his insulin without me nagging him, and if he gets it wrong it’s not just “he’ll feel rough” it’s literally life or death. I worry if I just pack his bag and send him off to the council or whatever he’ll end up really unwell or worse, and then it’s on me. He could actually kill himself by accident, just by messing up his injections, he doesn’t understand the seriousness.

I know DP and the boys have to come first, I do. But I keep thinking if I kick him out I’ll be signing his death warrant. That’s the part I’m really struggling with.

I know DP and the boys have to come first, I do. But I keep thinking if I kick him out I’ll be signing his death warrant. That’s the part I’m really struggling with.

There is no magic solution to this. You have to make a really, really tough decision.
a) put your DC and DP first
or
b) put your brother first

If you choose a), you have to go through the guilt and fear, and possibly live with the fact that he dies in horrible circumstances.
If you choose b), you risk losing your DC and DP, and go through the guilt and heartbreak of that.

Because you can't have it both ways.
If you fail to choose, then your DP or social services will make the choice for you and you will be separated from your DC for their safety.

There is no way to house your brother in your home and keep your children.
So he has to go.
Or you lose your children and DP.

Clearinguptheclutter · 14/09/2025 10:08

what a sad story and I really feel for you in such a difficult situation

he is very lucky that you are looking out for him but you need to prioritise your children now and kick him out. Let him declare himself homeless.

Phatgurslyms · 14/09/2025 10:11

I have not RTFt and will be repeating what others have said but you have to contact the emergency social services and be honest about the danger to your babies and that your brother is a vulnerable adult who needs emergency accommodation. You can say that your husband refuses to have him in the house. You both have to stand firm on this.

Burnt spoons is crack isn’t it or (God forbid) heroin. It sounds as though your house was turned into a crack den while you were away. I doubt he did all that damage by himself. He entertained other users while you were away.

This is so terrible. I can’t imagine how awful this must feel. The best way you can help him is to call SS.

Swiftie1878 · 14/09/2025 10:12

Catar · 13/09/2025 20:06

I did trust him to be here while we went away, I honestly thought it would be ok for a few days. I was calling him every day while we were gone, checking in, reminding him to take his insulin and eat properly. He was saying everything was fine, so coming home to the state of the house has been such a shock.

I get that he’s technically an adult now, but I can’t shake the fact that he is so vulnerable. He can’t even properly manage his insulin without me nagging him, and if he gets it wrong it’s not just “he’ll feel rough” it’s literally life or death. I worry if I just pack his bag and send him off to the council or whatever he’ll end up really unwell or worse, and then it’s on me. He could actually kill himself by accident, just by messing up his injections, he doesn’t understand the seriousness.

I know DP and the boys have to come first, I do. But I keep thinking if I kick him out I’ll be signing his death warrant. That’s the part I’m really struggling with.

You need to refer him to SS ASAP, before someone reports YOU to SS for not adequately protecting your children. He is dangerous around young children, and if you don’t recognise that and do something about it, someone else will. You risk losing your kids.

Phatgurslyms · 14/09/2025 10:20

VivaForever81 · 13/09/2025 20:00

Where’s your mum in all this, she created these issues.

I don’t think there is any point getting her out of the woodwork because she seems to have her own serious mental health issues. Should we get the mum’s parents out of the woodwork to deal with the mess they may have created, and so forth? The intergenerational cycle of abuse and addiction is crazy.

poor op. I hope you will put your kids and dp - and most of all yourself - first.

SewNotHappy · 14/09/2025 10:25

Contact social services, he's vulnerable and they should help. You are not responsible for him, he needs to start taking responsibility for himself. As for the burned spoon, it is probably either heroin or crack. You said the needles are from his insulin, does he have any glass pipes?

Merseymum1980 · 14/09/2025 10:29

I really feel for you op.
You should phone the family anonymous helpline today, its free i think it opens at 1.
Its an emergency line for families of addicts.
Unfortunately he is an addict with the weed alone never mind any of potential drug use.
You have to stop enabling him or he will bot reach his own rock bottom to change.
Whilst you were away he must of done some insulin or he would of been hospitalised.
You could actually consider having him temporarily sectioned as he is endangering his own life with the insulin messing.
Please pm me and I can offer some sign posting.
Don't want to ask where you live on here

Branleuse · 14/09/2025 10:32

The burnt spoons aren't from injecting insulin. He is injecting other drugs too.

Op, you are out of your depth. You must not have him in your home with your family. Its heartbreaking, but you cant help him.

WinWhenTheyreSinging · 14/09/2025 10:34

What a horrible situation OP, but absolutely he needs to leave the house immediately.

You can still support him without living with him and endangering your family. Sadly, as others have said, you can’t fix him though. I feel for you so much, it sounds heartbreaking.

Daisymail · 14/09/2025 10:36

This is a serious safeguarding concern for your own children, you must put them first.

FunBiscuit · 14/09/2025 10:43

Catar · 13/09/2025 18:59

Hi all, not even sure what I want posting this but my head is all over. Just got back this morning after being away with DP and the boys (DS3.5 and DS8mo). We only went an hour and a half away, Tuesday to today, just a little break. Came home and the house is absolutely trashed. My little brother who has just turned 18 is living here and honestly I feel like we’re at breaking point.

Bit of backstory. I’m 17 years older than him, I was basically grown when he was little. Our mum had what we now know was Munchausen by proxy with him, but back then everyone thought she was just struggling with a “poorly” child. She convinced doctors he had all sorts, dragged him in and out of hospitals, had schools thinking he was fragile. The only thing real is he’s type 1 diabetic. But even that she sort of used to make herself look like this amazing mum who was coping. He actually missed huge chunks of school from reception onwards, then she de-registered him completely at about 9 “for home ed” but she never taught him a thing. He can barely read now, writing is basically just a few words. All those years she was claiming DLA then later PIP for him.

When he was 17 she kicked him out after a massive row and I had to phone SS because he was still a child legally. They were useless tbh. Came out, spoke to him, said he was nearly 18 so not much they could do. I’ve reported concerns so many times over the years but each time my mum would cut me off and then later pretend nothing had happened. It’s always been me trying to pick up the pieces.

He’s 18 now but he’s like a lost little boy and also an absolute nightmare. He won’t go to therapy, refuses point blank, says everyone is against him. He doesn’t manage his diabetes properly at all, sometimes doesn’t take his insulin, sometimes injects too much, sometimes I have to beg him to let me do it. He drinks loads of monster and eats crap and then crashes. He’s constantly in and out of A&E, I’m waiting for the day I get the call that something awfuls happened.

His behaviour here is just off the scale. He smokes weed in his room, leaves food and dirty dishes everywhere, steals DP’s vape stuff and alcohol. He lies constantly, gets aggressive if you call him out, I’ve found used condoms in the bathroom bin, burnt spoons in his room, god knows what he’s been doing. He goes through my stuff too, I found my bank card hidden in his drawer once, he said he “borrowed” it but there was a £60 Deliveroo order on it.

He’s got no social skills at all, he doesn’t know how to be around people. It’s like he’s been trapped in a bubble his whole life. We just got home today and it’s disgusting. Plates of mouldy food in the living room, carpet ruined, my little one’s toys smashed, DS3.5’s little chair snapped in half. There’s fag burns on the sofa and he’s written on the wall in sharpie. Our bedroom has been gone through, I know because DP had hid some money in the wardrobe and it’s gone. There was actual sick in the sink too, just left there. And he’s also left his bloody needles lying about, which is terrifying with the babies here.

DP is at the end of his tether, says we can’t live like this and he needs to go. But where? He can’t look after himself. He’s still like a child in his head. He doesn’t cook anything other than chips or noodles in the microwave, doesn’t shower unless told, doesn’t wash clothes. He doesn’t understand basic life stuff because mum literally kept him so dependent.

Part of me feels desperately sorry for him, he had no chance with mum, she ruined his education and made him sick in the head about being ill all the time. His dad has never been in his life, mum abused him, so I’m all he really has. I don’t want to just abandon him. He can actually be really good with DS3.5, they’ll sit and play cars together for ages and DS adores him, but then the next minute he’s raging about something stupid and slamming doors and breaking things.

I feel guilty leaving him but I also feel like he’s dangerous to have around my kids. I just don’t know what to do anymore. I can’t be his carer, I’ve got two little boys and a DP who’s at breaking point. But if I kick him out where will he go? He has no job, no friends that aren’t into drugs, he doesn’t even know how to fill a form in. I honestly think he can’t even apply for universal credit without someone sitting with him.

Sorry this is so long and rambly.

Don’t get angry give him some lessons on how to clean even if he trying and failing give him huge praise he has never been trained to cook or clean go to some cooking classes together go to local college they have special classes to help with children disabilities go by some paint and you do the painting together go rent a carpet cleaner clean together when he sees how exhausting it is to clean up he won’t do it again you need to get him on universal credit but the money you look after if he can stay out trouble he will get money to do something he enjoys sounds like he has no purpose in life feels unloved and needs a purpose all drugs are strictly banned

Volpini · 14/09/2025 10:47

Catar · 13/09/2025 20:06

I did trust him to be here while we went away, I honestly thought it would be ok for a few days. I was calling him every day while we were gone, checking in, reminding him to take his insulin and eat properly. He was saying everything was fine, so coming home to the state of the house has been such a shock.

I get that he’s technically an adult now, but I can’t shake the fact that he is so vulnerable. He can’t even properly manage his insulin without me nagging him, and if he gets it wrong it’s not just “he’ll feel rough” it’s literally life or death. I worry if I just pack his bag and send him off to the council or whatever he’ll end up really unwell or worse, and then it’s on me. He could actually kill himself by accident, just by messing up his injections, he doesn’t understand the seriousness.

I know DP and the boys have to come first, I do. But I keep thinking if I kick him out I’ll be signing his death warrant. That’s the part I’m really struggling with.

Your brother is so lucky to have someone who loves him this much. I am so sorry for how you feel - remember this is the dilemma so many other people have with addict relatives. I totally understand this is not his fault, but because he has fallen in this hole he is literally the only person who can save himself. To keep supporting him - even though it’s agony to let him go - is to enable him. Perhaps it may help you take this step to reframe it that his only chance is for you to kick him out now.
I haven’t read past this post but perhaps you also need the support of Families Anonymous for yourself.
lots and lots of love to you and your family, OP. X

Winter2020 · 14/09/2025 10:57

Hi OP,
This sounds a very sad and stressful situation for you all. Life can be very unfair.

I would suggest that you ring social services and tell them you are a carer for your brother who has a learning disability/autism (bear with me) and that the situation has broken down and he needs an emergency placement. You are legally entitled to a carers assessment and your brother is legally entitled to an assessment of his care needs under the Care Act - you need to tell them that this is urgent or he will become homeless.

I work in a short break service for people with learning disabilities and we have emergency beds for when people's home or placement has broken down. Some of the people that come in as emergencies I suspect are more mental health needs or the result of a neglectful upbringing but we are a port in a storm and then the people are moved on to more suitable placements.

If you can get him in the system initially then the chances are a suitable place will be found (after an emergency placement) such as a flat with some hours of staff support.

Don't focus on the fact that he is not diagnosed with a learning disability or autism. Just explain your mum kept him out of the system but he cant read or write, can't take his medication safely himself, can't cook or keep his home clean etc. Chances are an assessment would find him to have some level of learning disability now even if this has come about by a neglectful childhood.

I really hope this advice is useful and your brother gets a safe placement.

MrsPengiuins · 14/09/2025 11:17

One issue you will face is adult social care is voluntary, person has to consent as well as being very underfunded so you may well get they will offer nothing and he does sound like he's at risk of death alone.

But if you leave him with you and your kids social care could say you are neglecting your children by having your brother there and get your kids removed. They are only responsible for children so won't factor in the risk of death to your brother or their neglect. They also tend to go for the cheapest solution which is likely to be removing your kids and blaming you unless you separate your brother from your kids.

Its highly likely he has learning difficulties and / or autism if at 9 he still could not read. If you can get him registered as having those that would help but massive delays on NHS assessments into years. If he can get universal credit and LCWRA - you may need to be appointee - this would give some money which could be used for private help. I would speak to his GP but be very, very careful re your own kids. Dyslexia might be worth considering.

Toooldtocare25 · 14/09/2025 11:32

OP when does this stop though? When he’s 18 /20/25 /30 and at what expense? You partner , kids?
only he can decide what he wants to do with his life and unfortunately whatever point in life you reach the end of your tether with him he will have to start. Make it clear you will always love him and help him but this is beyond any reasonable relationship. He’s not going to to grow up because he doesn’t need to yet while you’re there. It’s not your fault and unfortunately you can’t help anyone who refuses to be helped.

Catar · 14/09/2025 11:36

Morning everyone and thanks for all the replies, I do appreciate them even if some of them are a bit hard to read.

About my mum, it was mostly lies about his symptoms rather than her actually making him ill, although I think sometimes she would deliberately feed him things to upset his blood sugars so she could rush him into hospital. She exaggerated every little thing, always telling doctors he was collapsing or not eating or couldn’t breathe properly. She used to say he had seizures but I never saw one myself, only her talking about them. She never had any consequences, nothing at all, she has just carried on as if it was normal parenting. She claimed the benefits for years, the DLA then the PIP, I think it went into her account not his. Now he is 18 he is supposed to get the PIP himself, but I honestly don’t know if she has managed to keep hold of it somehow, she has always been good at manipulating systems. I need to look into that properly.

About the house, yes he did help me tidy yesterday afternoon. It was horrible but he did at least pick stuff up and took rubbish out. He knows he made a mess. He is not good at cleaning but he tried. The sick in the sink he admitted to and did scrub it out, although DP had to go back over it.

I don’t think he is taking heroin, honestly I think I would know. He wouldn’t be able to hide that from me and I see him every day. The burnt spoon could have been from him trying to do something stupid with food, he has no clue how to cook properly. I know he smokes weed which I am not happy about and I am trying to get him to stop, I’ve told him repeatedly he cannot do it in this house. The needles he left lying about were his insulin pens, they were on the kitchen table not hidden away, which is still dangerous with my boys here but it is not drug needles, it is his diabetes stuff.

While we were away I phoned him daily, reminding him to take his insulin and to eat properly, and he always said he was fine. I told him to call if there was any problems and he did ring me once because he burnt his hand trying to cook a pizza which he had also burnt completely black. We have a ring doorbell and there were no visitors, so I know he did not have anyone else round while we were gone.

He hates the GP and hospitals, he will avoid them unless it is absolutely forced. Understandably after years of mum dragging him to doctors constantly for nonsense he now wants nothing to do with it. He is supposed to see the diabetes team but he will not go, he just refuses. I can’t make him.

I did try to help him learn to read a bit better, I got some cheap kids books from a charity shop and sat with him, but he got really frustrated and upset with himself and gave up. He is so embarrassed by it, I think he pretends he can read more than he actually can. He definitely couldn’t just go on YouTube and teach himself, he would struggle even to type the words in. He uses speech to type usually

I do hear what people are saying about my boys needing to come first, and I agree, but I am so torn. I feel like my mum broke him and just abandoned him and now I am left holding the pieces. I know it is not my responsibility, but if I don’t help him then he has literally nobody.

Sorry this is another ramble, I just wanted to answer those questions properly.

OP posts:
Thepeopleversuswork · 14/09/2025 11:47

@Catar

I don’t think he is taking heroin, honestly I think I would know. He wouldn’t be able to hide that from me and I see him every day. The burnt spoon could have been from him trying to do something stupid with food, he has no clue how to cook properly.

I am sorry OP as this is a heartbreaking situation for you…

But burned spoons are a classic telltale sign of heroin use. As gently as possible I think you need to wake up to this. He may also be using the needles for insulin but he is very clearly injecting heroin. This would at a stroke explain all the other symptoms, the vomit, the general malaise, the poor diet. You say he wouldn’t be able to hide it but I am afraid this isn’t right. Opiate addicts are extremely skilled in hiding these behaviours. I shared a flat with someone for a year who was using heroin and I didn’t find out until after they had moved out.

I don’t know what the solution is: others seem to have some good ideas about charities to address homelessness etc.

But this is a huge safeguarding risk to your children and something which could land you in huge trouble with social services. Your kids could be taken away if it was established that they were living with someone using hard drugs. Please wake up to this before its too late.

CRCGran · 14/09/2025 11:50

He can read well enough to use your credit card to order food by Deliveroo !!

Catar · 14/09/2025 11:55

CRCGran · 14/09/2025 11:50

He can read well enough to use your credit card to order food by Deliveroo !!

He had a screen reader type thing on his phone, under the accessibility setting.

OP posts:
Lovingbooks · 14/09/2025 11:57

He’s walking all over you. He’s stealing money, smoking weed, enabling his behaviour will do him no favours your last updates reads as though you have just accepted it as normal. Why aren’t you putting your own family first.