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Brother trashed the house while we were away TW: abuse

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Catar · 13/09/2025 18:59

Hi all, not even sure what I want posting this but my head is all over. Just got back this morning after being away with DP and the boys (DS3.5 and DS8mo). We only went an hour and a half away, Tuesday to today, just a little break. Came home and the house is absolutely trashed. My little brother who has just turned 18 is living here and honestly I feel like we’re at breaking point.

Bit of backstory. I’m 17 years older than him, I was basically grown when he was little. Our mum had what we now know was Munchausen by proxy with him, but back then everyone thought she was just struggling with a “poorly” child. She convinced doctors he had all sorts, dragged him in and out of hospitals, had schools thinking he was fragile. The only thing real is he’s type 1 diabetic. But even that she sort of used to make herself look like this amazing mum who was coping. He actually missed huge chunks of school from reception onwards, then she de-registered him completely at about 9 “for home ed” but she never taught him a thing. He can barely read now, writing is basically just a few words. All those years she was claiming DLA then later PIP for him.

When he was 17 she kicked him out after a massive row and I had to phone SS because he was still a child legally. They were useless tbh. Came out, spoke to him, said he was nearly 18 so not much they could do. I’ve reported concerns so many times over the years but each time my mum would cut me off and then later pretend nothing had happened. It’s always been me trying to pick up the pieces.

He’s 18 now but he’s like a lost little boy and also an absolute nightmare. He won’t go to therapy, refuses point blank, says everyone is against him. He doesn’t manage his diabetes properly at all, sometimes doesn’t take his insulin, sometimes injects too much, sometimes I have to beg him to let me do it. He drinks loads of monster and eats crap and then crashes. He’s constantly in and out of A&E, I’m waiting for the day I get the call that something awfuls happened.

His behaviour here is just off the scale. He smokes weed in his room, leaves food and dirty dishes everywhere, steals DP’s vape stuff and alcohol. He lies constantly, gets aggressive if you call him out, I’ve found used condoms in the bathroom bin, burnt spoons in his room, god knows what he’s been doing. He goes through my stuff too, I found my bank card hidden in his drawer once, he said he “borrowed” it but there was a £60 Deliveroo order on it.

He’s got no social skills at all, he doesn’t know how to be around people. It’s like he’s been trapped in a bubble his whole life. We just got home today and it’s disgusting. Plates of mouldy food in the living room, carpet ruined, my little one’s toys smashed, DS3.5’s little chair snapped in half. There’s fag burns on the sofa and he’s written on the wall in sharpie. Our bedroom has been gone through, I know because DP had hid some money in the wardrobe and it’s gone. There was actual sick in the sink too, just left there. And he’s also left his bloody needles lying about, which is terrifying with the babies here.

DP is at the end of his tether, says we can’t live like this and he needs to go. But where? He can’t look after himself. He’s still like a child in his head. He doesn’t cook anything other than chips or noodles in the microwave, doesn’t shower unless told, doesn’t wash clothes. He doesn’t understand basic life stuff because mum literally kept him so dependent.

Part of me feels desperately sorry for him, he had no chance with mum, she ruined his education and made him sick in the head about being ill all the time. His dad has never been in his life, mum abused him, so I’m all he really has. I don’t want to just abandon him. He can actually be really good with DS3.5, they’ll sit and play cars together for ages and DS adores him, but then the next minute he’s raging about something stupid and slamming doors and breaking things.

I feel guilty leaving him but I also feel like he’s dangerous to have around my kids. I just don’t know what to do anymore. I can’t be his carer, I’ve got two little boys and a DP who’s at breaking point. But if I kick him out where will he go? He has no job, no friends that aren’t into drugs, he doesn’t even know how to fill a form in. I honestly think he can’t even apply for universal credit without someone sitting with him.

Sorry this is so long and rambly.

OP posts:
YourAquaLion · 13/09/2025 20:15

This is terrifying OP you must feel awful. I’m wondering how you escaped such an upbringing with the same mum! I can completely understand how he became this way and how it’s not his fault, and how you want so badly to help him. It’s almost like you are his parent now. Would it work to give him some very strict rules for living with you? To enroll on some courses, get therapy, have a 5-year plan to get educated and work out a goal in life? If there was a plan to stick to maybe he could stay. It sounds like he might be on the streets if he leaves, and with type 1 diabetes plus drugs it doesn’t sound great for him. What a waste of a life, that poor young man. I’m so sorry OP.

Hibernatingtilspring · 13/09/2025 20:22

OP I do understand where you're coming from - I have family members in similar situations. It's not a choice of either he lives with you or he's on his own - find out from the council what his options could be, you can support him without him actually living with you. Otherwise you'll burn yourself out and be less able to care for him (not that that's the only reason to make the decision but if worry for his safety is the main barrier it's something to think about)

arcticpandas · 13/09/2025 20:25

Do you know that if SS were made to be aware about this you could temporarily lose custody of your children due to him living with you?

This is how serious this is. You are a mother. Priority has to be given to your young children. They are not safe with him around ; neither physically nor emotionally. You say he can be nice playing with your son and then suddenly become aggressive and rant. This is very harmful behaviour for young children to be exposed to. Never mind them finding his needles and drugs. You do realise that the burnt spoons are for drugs and that he uses the needles to inject drugs?

I know it's hard and heartbreaking but you owe it to your children to keep them safe. You are not responsible for your brother who needs psychiatric care. You can still support him and love him but he can under no condition stay in your home. You are afraid of him dying. I'm afraid of your children dying. Sorry to be blunt but I want you to react and quickly because this can not go on anymore. Pack his things and take him to Social Services first thing Monday morning. Change locks. Tell him you love him but you need to keep your children safe.

meganorks · 13/09/2025 20:27

There is a charity called Depaul who deal with youth homelessness. They offer a mediation service that might be able to help you get through to your brother. But he would have to want to engage. And his struggles might make him beyond their scope of help. But they should also have some useful information for how he can get support with housing.

thepariscrimefiles · 13/09/2025 20:31

Did your mum deliberately make your brother ill when he was a child or did she just lie about his symptoms? Has she suffered any consequences for her abusive and illegal behaviour towards her own child? Do the PIP and DLA go to your brother now or is she still illegally claiming?

Your brother has had a tragic and abusive upbringing and you obviously feel responsible for him, but you must put your own children first. He cannot continue to live with you.

LemondrizzleShark · 13/09/2025 20:33

OP if I were your DH I would be leaving and taking the kids, and I would be fighting my hardest to ensure you didn’t get overnight contact while your brother was still living in the same house. So contact centre or nothing.

You have to take this seriously. Kick your brother out.

Comtesse · 13/09/2025 20:33

Kids come first OP. DB is a victim of course too the poor guy, but you cannot have someone smoking drugs around your kids.

Theyreeatingthedogs · 13/09/2025 20:33

It does not sound like he has improved any since you took him in. He does not appear to want to change. You cannot put up with this indefinitely. Best to kick him out now before he does some serious damage to either the house or the occupants.

saraclara · 13/09/2025 20:39

LemondrizzleShark · 13/09/2025 20:33

OP if I were your DH I would be leaving and taking the kids, and I would be fighting my hardest to ensure you didn’t get overnight contact while your brother was still living in the same house. So contact centre or nothing.

You have to take this seriously. Kick your brother out.

Yes. If I was your partner I'd be leaving you and taking the kids, in order to protect them.

I'm not one of life's over-reactors at all, but this is not a safe situation. Your partner has been incredibly tolerant so far, but if he's sensible this will be the last straw for him.

Catar · 13/09/2025 20:40

YourAquaLion · 13/09/2025 20:15

This is terrifying OP you must feel awful. I’m wondering how you escaped such an upbringing with the same mum! I can completely understand how he became this way and how it’s not his fault, and how you want so badly to help him. It’s almost like you are his parent now. Would it work to give him some very strict rules for living with you? To enroll on some courses, get therapy, have a 5-year plan to get educated and work out a goal in life? If there was a plan to stick to maybe he could stay. It sounds like he might be on the streets if he leaves, and with type 1 diabetes plus drugs it doesn’t sound great for him. What a waste of a life, that poor young man. I’m so sorry OP.

Looking back, my dad did most of the parenting to me they split when I was in my early teens and my brother was born when I was 17. His dad has never met him, I'm insure whether that was his choice or my mums.

I think my mum was abusive towards him to keep him reliant on her, it was just the 2 of them. She made him believe if he went out to school or just anywhere! He’d be unwell. The times I reported it to social services, she cut me off, told him I hated him and stopped me from seeing him. She never left him with me or anyone, he was always with her. She lied about him having asd and not being able to cope around others, and I do understand this is genuine for some children but he's never been diagnosed or even assessed to my knowledge, I can't say he is or isn't because I'm not a professional but she just said this to isolate him even from me.

I did suggest him go to college, he was still 17 at the start of the academic year so was entitled to free college education but he refused, it is hard though he's extremely behind his peers, I think he'd struggle to sit down and talk to another 17/18 year old and he's very behind academically, he can't read except basic things or write, he can't do basic maths either and he knows this and I think he's embarrassed to go into college. I've told him he wouldn't be thrown into a gcse maths class for instance but he doesn't believe me/still refused.

OP posts:
Whyherewego · 13/09/2025 20:47

You can't save him OP. He needs to save himself. And you need to save your family who will be driven apart because DP is within his rights to say enough and take the kids and leave.
I'm sorry OP but you've done your best. You really have.
He needs support that you cannot provide. Get him out of the house and into the system.
I'm sorry. I know this is tough for you.

Worried8263839 · 13/09/2025 20:47

Was you brother ever known to children’s services as a looked after child?

cannynotsay · 13/09/2025 20:50

He’s using needs and drugs in your house, you have two young kids that could be taken out of your care if he’s stays! He needs to go. If something happens that’s on him, he won’t change while he’s with you. Some people need to lose it all for them to realise. I think you’re being a really bad mother I’m sorry but it needs to be said. You know the burnt spoon, that’s heroin use. How can you allow this around your child. Your brother has people around. Having sex etc, he could be sharing needles and all sorts. Why can’t you see past this?

RobinEllacotStrike · 13/09/2025 20:51

Sorry op but you absolutely cant have someone like that in the house with young children.

this is all extremely difficult & I really feel for you.

Christwosheds · 13/09/2025 20:57

Oh OP this is so upsetting. I am really sad reading this, your brother has had a really tough start in life. My dd has also just turned 18 so I know how young that is in reality. My own daughter is sensible and capable but she still needs support as do almost all 18 year olds.
You are caught in such a difficult situation. Your brother needs a huge amount of intervention and support and he needs it asap. I can see why pps are saying he can’t stay, of course as an active drug user he isn’t safe to live with children, and I can also see why you want to take care of him. I hope that the teen support organisation linked to by a pp can help. It seemed your brother has been absolutely failed for his whole childhood. He should have been placed elsewhere a long time ago, and educated properly. It’s absolutely tragic.

Itiswhysofew · 13/09/2025 21:08

Has he helped you to tidy the mess? That's the least he can do.

Has he considered studying basic English & maths online - YouTube? I know you're struggling with bigger issues with him, but it might be something he can cope with.

I can understand your not wanting to tell him to leave, it's a tough world for someone so ill equipped.

ForgetMeNotRose · 13/09/2025 21:23

This is an awful situation and I really feel for you. I do think the bottom line here is that as a parent, you can't allow drug use in the home. Leaving dirty needles around and burnt spoons is just not safe. Someone my husband knew lost a baby when the baby found drugs a friend left in their home. It's extremely unsafe, not to mention his aggressive behaviour (not judging him, I imagine this is trauma-based). I think the way forward is to find out as much as possible about his options and support, get him somewhere to stay, get him involved with youth charities. Lots of youth organisations are amazing and young people often get involved with them more than council services. If he moves out you could still support him in other ways, but with boundaries in place.

Anyahyacinth · 13/09/2025 21:24

Emergency safeguarding referral and insist on a carers assessment for yourself..emergency placements do exist …talk about self neglect and his deep vulnerabilities

Londonrach1 · 13/09/2025 21:27

You need to protect your children. He leaves now!!! Needles in the house. .come on and that's without the other stuff... imagine if your child was picked by a needle... Your brother needs help but your priority is to your two very young children

aster10 · 13/09/2025 21:36

We can’t give what we don’t have. He needs a rehab and a service to help him get educated. You cannot give him the help he needs. You do not have the time, the space and the skills. If you were single with some trashable space (with you or a separate flat) and therapeutic and psychiatric qualification, you could have helped him. But you don’t have any of that if I understand correctly. It’s a tough decision, but he does need to move out. My husband has Type 1 diabetes, his needles are not bloodied, insulin is injected through a retractable pen, your brother is most likely injecting heroin as someone pointed out. You cannot help a heroin addict with begginings of a serious mental illness (schizophrenia, borderline personality disorder or bipolar disorder). You cannot. You are not a goddess or a superwoman. He will continue to trash your house, injure you and your family members and steal your money. Until a more serious crime is committed, and then he’ll be caught and jailed/hospitalised, but what and who will you lose in order for that to happen? All the advice above about him telling the council that he’s homeless and insulin reliant diabetic, connecting him to mental helath charities is very good. It might be a good idea for you to have therapy to talk about your feelings of guilt. Because even if you part with all of your savings to fund, say, a rehab for him and some sort of supported accommodation then and psychiatric treatment, your guilt will still be too great I suspect unless you seek therapy.

GimmieABreakOr3 · 13/09/2025 21:40

Oh dear, this is a huge safeguarding issue for your kids.

Im sorry, but agree with others, he needs to get out of your home. Unacceptable. Your kids come first.

He will need to engage with help and support, and you can’t enforce that sadly.

outerspacepotato · 13/09/2025 21:49

I know DP and the boys have to come first, I do. But I keep thinking if I kick him out I’ll be signing his death warrant. That’s the part I’m really struggling with.

You let him stay, you're going to lose your kids one way or another. Your husband has had it, he'll leave and take the kids and you don't have a leg to stand on custody wise if your bro is there cooking drugs or one of your kids gets into your brother's stash and hopefully survives.

He needs much more help than you can give and keep your family safe. So you have to choose.

Kids are not safe if there's drug addicts around them. Can you legally have Narcan there? It reverses overdoses. If so, get some until he's gone and have doses posted in a visible spot.

70isaLimitNotaTarget · 13/09/2025 21:54

Oh this is a tough one but you need to use Tough Love here

He's a very damaged young man but that is not your fault . You do not have the facilities or the qualifications to heal him.
You must be dreading every phonecall wondering if you;ll get "that" call that he;s in A&E or worse .

Your sons are the ones you need to protect . And yourself and your DH .
His mum founds bloody useless and abusive but you aren;t his mother . He needs to be gone from your house .
Good luck .

AngryBookworm · 13/09/2025 21:55

This is really sad for all concerned but fundamentally your first duty is to your kids - your brother is vulnerable but also a potential danger to them. And to you - he's going through your house looking for money, possibly to buy drugs! This is not going to get better. I think therapy might be helpful for you so that you don't feel this sense of responsibility for him. His parent failed him - you do not want to do the same for your own kids by putting them in danger.

It's hard out there and the system can fail people, but he needs to be connected with a social worker and professional help. Bluntly, it's not as though he's thriving in your house (not that it would be worth it if he were) - so I would try not to think of yourself as the only thing standing between him and disaster. He's in the disaster now, and sadly there isn't much you can do for him. What you can do is protect your kids, who need you.

Gallopingfanjo · 13/09/2025 21:57

I’m so sorry that this is on you OP, but you cannot save him, he must save himself.