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Brother trashed the house while we were away TW: abuse

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Catar · 13/09/2025 18:59

Hi all, not even sure what I want posting this but my head is all over. Just got back this morning after being away with DP and the boys (DS3.5 and DS8mo). We only went an hour and a half away, Tuesday to today, just a little break. Came home and the house is absolutely trashed. My little brother who has just turned 18 is living here and honestly I feel like we’re at breaking point.

Bit of backstory. I’m 17 years older than him, I was basically grown when he was little. Our mum had what we now know was Munchausen by proxy with him, but back then everyone thought she was just struggling with a “poorly” child. She convinced doctors he had all sorts, dragged him in and out of hospitals, had schools thinking he was fragile. The only thing real is he’s type 1 diabetic. But even that she sort of used to make herself look like this amazing mum who was coping. He actually missed huge chunks of school from reception onwards, then she de-registered him completely at about 9 “for home ed” but she never taught him a thing. He can barely read now, writing is basically just a few words. All those years she was claiming DLA then later PIP for him.

When he was 17 she kicked him out after a massive row and I had to phone SS because he was still a child legally. They were useless tbh. Came out, spoke to him, said he was nearly 18 so not much they could do. I’ve reported concerns so many times over the years but each time my mum would cut me off and then later pretend nothing had happened. It’s always been me trying to pick up the pieces.

He’s 18 now but he’s like a lost little boy and also an absolute nightmare. He won’t go to therapy, refuses point blank, says everyone is against him. He doesn’t manage his diabetes properly at all, sometimes doesn’t take his insulin, sometimes injects too much, sometimes I have to beg him to let me do it. He drinks loads of monster and eats crap and then crashes. He’s constantly in and out of A&E, I’m waiting for the day I get the call that something awfuls happened.

His behaviour here is just off the scale. He smokes weed in his room, leaves food and dirty dishes everywhere, steals DP’s vape stuff and alcohol. He lies constantly, gets aggressive if you call him out, I’ve found used condoms in the bathroom bin, burnt spoons in his room, god knows what he’s been doing. He goes through my stuff too, I found my bank card hidden in his drawer once, he said he “borrowed” it but there was a £60 Deliveroo order on it.

He’s got no social skills at all, he doesn’t know how to be around people. It’s like he’s been trapped in a bubble his whole life. We just got home today and it’s disgusting. Plates of mouldy food in the living room, carpet ruined, my little one’s toys smashed, DS3.5’s little chair snapped in half. There’s fag burns on the sofa and he’s written on the wall in sharpie. Our bedroom has been gone through, I know because DP had hid some money in the wardrobe and it’s gone. There was actual sick in the sink too, just left there. And he’s also left his bloody needles lying about, which is terrifying with the babies here.

DP is at the end of his tether, says we can’t live like this and he needs to go. But where? He can’t look after himself. He’s still like a child in his head. He doesn’t cook anything other than chips or noodles in the microwave, doesn’t shower unless told, doesn’t wash clothes. He doesn’t understand basic life stuff because mum literally kept him so dependent.

Part of me feels desperately sorry for him, he had no chance with mum, she ruined his education and made him sick in the head about being ill all the time. His dad has never been in his life, mum abused him, so I’m all he really has. I don’t want to just abandon him. He can actually be really good with DS3.5, they’ll sit and play cars together for ages and DS adores him, but then the next minute he’s raging about something stupid and slamming doors and breaking things.

I feel guilty leaving him but I also feel like he’s dangerous to have around my kids. I just don’t know what to do anymore. I can’t be his carer, I’ve got two little boys and a DP who’s at breaking point. But if I kick him out where will he go? He has no job, no friends that aren’t into drugs, he doesn’t even know how to fill a form in. I honestly think he can’t even apply for universal credit without someone sitting with him.

Sorry this is so long and rambly.

OP posts:
Thepeopleversuswork · 13/09/2025 21:57

OP do you realise he’s a heroin addict? You seem not to have made that connection.

As others have said it’s tragic but your first priority is your children and you need to get him out sharpish.

Can you try again with social services?

Dramatic · 13/09/2025 22:02

Gosh op this is an absolutely horrible situation for you to be in, I feel desperately sorry for your brother, your mum has ruined his life. However, as you are aware, it cannot carry on like this when you have young kids in the house. I think the only option you have is to drop him at the housing office on Monday morning, make sure he informs them he is type 1 diabetic because they will have to find him somewhere with access to a fridge. Does he still get any disability benefits?

WiddlinDiddlin · 13/09/2025 22:09

Your priority is your kids and husband.

If you don't get your brother out of the house, the likelyhood is you will lose your relationship and if your brother stays with you, you'll lose access to your kids too.

Don't risk it.

Present him at the council housing department, with a letter stating you are not willing to house him, he is now homeless, he is their responsiblity.

You can offer him support with him living outside your home but it is entirely up to him to take it, you can't make him.

MySweetMaggie · 13/09/2025 22:20

Alanon is a helpful organisation to support family members of addicts. They can help you release the need to help/control loved ones who are under the influence of drugs or alcohol. I'm so sorry you're going through this.

MimiGC · 13/09/2025 23:48

Do you know where he is getting money for drugs from? When is he having people round to yours for sex (you said you have found used condoms)? You don’t know what he is mixed up in. Given his abusive upbringing and his lack of education, he may well have mental health problems and/or learning disabilities, maybe he is also autistic, as your mother said. In any event, I would make an adult safeguarding referral , as he is a vulnerable adult in dire need of help, which you can’t provide.

Athreedoorwardrobe · 13/09/2025 23:56

Your duty is towards your young children.
And it won't help your brother to shelter him from the consequences of his own actions. It's unfair he must suffer as a result of abuse he faced.. but this is his own journey he's on and you cannot heal him if he won't engage. And he won't engage because he doesn't have to at the moment because he's basically safe in a house he doesn't have responsibility for.
He needs to go out into the world.
He is an adult. You have to get him out of your home. Give him notice.
You need to be strong and have clear boundaries here. Get him removed by the police if he refuses to go come the time. I know you love him but it won't help him to keep him in this childlike state by taking responsibility for him.

MuchTooTired · 14/09/2025 00:01

I’m so sorry that you’re going through this, I truly am. I hate to say it though, but you have to put your babies first. By all means help your brother where you can do, but he cannot live in your home any longer. Your priority has to be your two tiny humans, not your brother - whilst I appreciate the masses of difficulties he faces that’s not your doing.

I’m speaking from bitter experience, it’s utterly heartbreaking doing it but it must be done to protect your kids because it’s only a matter of time until a situation arises that’ll put your kids in danger. He’s not your responsibility.

BMW6 · 14/09/2025 00:15

OP I say this gently - you are not the best person to help him - you are too emotionally close and not objective.

He needs professional help and quickly. He won't get it whilst he's living with you.

If you really want to help.him and give him the best chance of a real life you MUST get him out of your home.

Your love can't help him. He must have terrible MH issues and you simply don't know how to help him.

If the worst happens its really and truly not you fault - that would be your Mother's.

Francestein · 14/09/2025 00:23

Adult social services?

mathanxiety · 14/09/2025 00:31

Catar · 13/09/2025 20:06

I did trust him to be here while we went away, I honestly thought it would be ok for a few days. I was calling him every day while we were gone, checking in, reminding him to take his insulin and eat properly. He was saying everything was fine, so coming home to the state of the house has been such a shock.

I get that he’s technically an adult now, but I can’t shake the fact that he is so vulnerable. He can’t even properly manage his insulin without me nagging him, and if he gets it wrong it’s not just “he’ll feel rough” it’s literally life or death. I worry if I just pack his bag and send him off to the council or whatever he’ll end up really unwell or worse, and then it’s on me. He could actually kill himself by accident, just by messing up his injections, he doesn’t understand the seriousness.

I know DP and the boys have to come first, I do. But I keep thinking if I kick him out I’ll be signing his death warrant. That’s the part I’m really struggling with.

Who did he have in the house while you were away? Have you asked the neighbours if they noticed anything or anyone?

Like all co-dependents and enablers, your intentions are loving. But you also have the very predictable tunnel vision that goes with the territory, and you are not seeing the true scale of the problem or acknowledging your powerlessness or your lack of expertise.

You didn't cause this.
You can't control this.
You can't cure this.

This can't go on under your roof, in front of children who are utterly dependent on you for protection. Rip off the plaster, and when he's gone, get therapy for yourself.

Buy and read Co-dependent No More, by Melody Beattie.

CallMeEvelyn · 14/09/2025 00:35

I also think he's potentially mentally ill, and he is clearly a drug addict, you're trying to fool yourself about the needles OP.

You need to understand if social services get to see the conditions in which you allow your children to live in with him around they'd be taken away. Prioritise your children - unlike your mother.

Sounds like she didn't prioritise you or him frankly, that's terrible. But quite clearly he has very serious issues for which you are not responsible - you never have been, it's just that your mother dumped him on to you by the looks of it, by default. Helped with wrecking his life and washed off her hands, charming. No doubt she contributed to how he is but it looks like there's more to it, he needs to be assessed and get help with his addiction, plus he might in fact have low IQ/learning difficulties/other issues and this is not just the case of your mother failing to educate him. Regardless, he is an adult who needs professional support and where capable, he needs to take responsibility for his own actions.

Honestly, if I were your DP, I'd take the kids and run for the hills until you get rid of him.

InMyShowgirlEra · 14/09/2025 00:35

Burned spoons indicate heroin use. That's really dangerous to have in your home. He needs proper care but you can't give him it in your home, it's not safe.

hkathy · 14/09/2025 00:43

Hi I have a bit of experience with this with a younger relative, very similar situation to you.

As a pp said: You need to take him down to your local council and declare him homeless. He is sleeping on your sofa and you cannot take care of him. It’s time to get the relevant authorities involved. Call Mind and citizens advice.

In the meantime you will clean up his shit and let him know he is no longer welcome.

Im so sorry op. The future looks drug filled for this kid and I hope he is able to turn it around. The mental load on you must be so heavy, my heart goes out to you.

Franjipanl8r · 14/09/2025 00:49

How absolutely heartbreaking and what an awful situation for you. I wonder if any mental health charities might be able to help give you some advice? Or addiction charities? There are plenty of people out there who can’t fully look after themselves for lots of reasons who need a little support to get onto their feet.

Ignore the criticism about being an “enabler” or “co-dependent”, you’re simply trying your best to be his carer but it isn’t working for you.

PivotPivotmakingmargaritas · 14/09/2025 01:17

This is heartbreaking.

You say asking him to leave feels like signing his death warrant but if he doesn’t leave you will lose your kids…. Your DH will hopefully take the kids away as they are not safe.

You have to choose your kids.

Either your brother moves out or you and him move out so you can teach him some life skills.

mathanxiety · 14/09/2025 01:36

Franjipanl8r · 14/09/2025 00:49

How absolutely heartbreaking and what an awful situation for you. I wonder if any mental health charities might be able to help give you some advice? Or addiction charities? There are plenty of people out there who can’t fully look after themselves for lots of reasons who need a little support to get onto their feet.

Ignore the criticism about being an “enabler” or “co-dependent”, you’re simply trying your best to be his carer but it isn’t working for you.

Those are neutral, technical terms for roles in certain situations, and are not criticism.

Hopefully the terms can offer a helpful perspective so the OP can understand what her role is vis a vis her brother's issues.

It would be very useful for her to go to Al Anon, a community for people affected by someone else's substance-related dysfunction, and (to repeat) accept that -
She didn't cause the problems.
She can't control the problems.
She can't cure the problems.

They are the 'Three Cs' of AL Anon.

I stand over my suggestion of therapy for her. The mother as described by the OP was clearly a person who put her own needs ahead of all other considerations. A relationship with a person like this in the formative years requires a great deal of unpicking.

WhiskyintheJarr · 14/09/2025 02:00

This is such a sad story. You’re a good person, OP (and your partner is a saint, to be honest).

I can only echo what’s already been said. You need to put your boys first. My husband would have taken them and left by now. I know this is the hardest thing in the world for you. I really do. But you’re going to lose your boys if this continues.

Ghht · 14/09/2025 02:10

This is such a horrible situation and I understand your pain.

However, awfully, you have the choice between your brother or your children. Your brother is not stable enough to be around young children. I’m guessing you understand that the burnt spoon means he’s using heroine…you need to move him out asap. I have seen heroine addicts absolutely destroy their families- do not underestimate what they will resort to in order to pay for their drugs.

Tablesandchairs23 · 14/09/2025 04:10

I feel for him. He's a danger to your kids he needs to go. You've dont want this making problems in your marriage.

Beerpink · 14/09/2025 04:18

Catar · 13/09/2025 18:59

Hi all, not even sure what I want posting this but my head is all over. Just got back this morning after being away with DP and the boys (DS3.5 and DS8mo). We only went an hour and a half away, Tuesday to today, just a little break. Came home and the house is absolutely trashed. My little brother who has just turned 18 is living here and honestly I feel like we’re at breaking point.

Bit of backstory. I’m 17 years older than him, I was basically grown when he was little. Our mum had what we now know was Munchausen by proxy with him, but back then everyone thought she was just struggling with a “poorly” child. She convinced doctors he had all sorts, dragged him in and out of hospitals, had schools thinking he was fragile. The only thing real is he’s type 1 diabetic. But even that she sort of used to make herself look like this amazing mum who was coping. He actually missed huge chunks of school from reception onwards, then she de-registered him completely at about 9 “for home ed” but she never taught him a thing. He can barely read now, writing is basically just a few words. All those years she was claiming DLA then later PIP for him.

When he was 17 she kicked him out after a massive row and I had to phone SS because he was still a child legally. They were useless tbh. Came out, spoke to him, said he was nearly 18 so not much they could do. I’ve reported concerns so many times over the years but each time my mum would cut me off and then later pretend nothing had happened. It’s always been me trying to pick up the pieces.

He’s 18 now but he’s like a lost little boy and also an absolute nightmare. He won’t go to therapy, refuses point blank, says everyone is against him. He doesn’t manage his diabetes properly at all, sometimes doesn’t take his insulin, sometimes injects too much, sometimes I have to beg him to let me do it. He drinks loads of monster and eats crap and then crashes. He’s constantly in and out of A&E, I’m waiting for the day I get the call that something awfuls happened.

His behaviour here is just off the scale. He smokes weed in his room, leaves food and dirty dishes everywhere, steals DP’s vape stuff and alcohol. He lies constantly, gets aggressive if you call him out, I’ve found used condoms in the bathroom bin, burnt spoons in his room, god knows what he’s been doing. He goes through my stuff too, I found my bank card hidden in his drawer once, he said he “borrowed” it but there was a £60 Deliveroo order on it.

He’s got no social skills at all, he doesn’t know how to be around people. It’s like he’s been trapped in a bubble his whole life. We just got home today and it’s disgusting. Plates of mouldy food in the living room, carpet ruined, my little one’s toys smashed, DS3.5’s little chair snapped in half. There’s fag burns on the sofa and he’s written on the wall in sharpie. Our bedroom has been gone through, I know because DP had hid some money in the wardrobe and it’s gone. There was actual sick in the sink too, just left there. And he’s also left his bloody needles lying about, which is terrifying with the babies here.

DP is at the end of his tether, says we can’t live like this and he needs to go. But where? He can’t look after himself. He’s still like a child in his head. He doesn’t cook anything other than chips or noodles in the microwave, doesn’t shower unless told, doesn’t wash clothes. He doesn’t understand basic life stuff because mum literally kept him so dependent.

Part of me feels desperately sorry for him, he had no chance with mum, she ruined his education and made him sick in the head about being ill all the time. His dad has never been in his life, mum abused him, so I’m all he really has. I don’t want to just abandon him. He can actually be really good with DS3.5, they’ll sit and play cars together for ages and DS adores him, but then the next minute he’s raging about something stupid and slamming doors and breaking things.

I feel guilty leaving him but I also feel like he’s dangerous to have around my kids. I just don’t know what to do anymore. I can’t be his carer, I’ve got two little boys and a DP who’s at breaking point. But if I kick him out where will he go? He has no job, no friends that aren’t into drugs, he doesn’t even know how to fill a form in. I honestly think he can’t even apply for universal credit without someone sitting with him.

Sorry this is so long and rambly.

You are an absolutely terrible partner and mother to your own children if you are forcing him on your own family unit. Never mind months… I wouldn’t tolerate him anywhere near my children. You’ll only spread the taught disfunction. He’s not your child.

Booboobagins · 14/09/2025 04:32

He needs to go into some form of supported living. Call SS and local authority they can help find him a place. I think you and he will find it really helps - Ive seen huge steps forward for my DH child (1st marriage) who's bipolar and has other issues. She was unmanageable and now a few years later, has a job her own place and a partner.

Make sure he knows you live him and are moving him because it will help him.

Elphabaa · 14/09/2025 05:12

Your kids will be impacted by db’s ways- save their psychological future and let db go.

AlexandraPeppernose · 14/09/2025 05:29

You need to get him to the GP and tell them everything, then the council. They have specialist support services and links with charities which provide supported housing for single people. Young people who have family support but can't live with their families can have good outcomes in these environments.

CameForAVacationStayedForTheRevolution · 14/09/2025 05:56

How long before your toddler finds some heroin in the house and ingests it? Pp are correct, SS would probably remove your kids if they were aware. You need to demonstrate you can safeguard them and that means prioritising them. Your db needs to be out of the house within the week.

smilingfanatic · 14/09/2025 06:21

This is desperately sad. You've had plenty of advice but I wanted to say I am sorry for your brother, and for you too. It is absolutely disgraceful what's happened to get him to this point. Yes he does have personal responsibility for his behaviour, but I think some are underestimating what a childhood of serious abuse + a lack of education robs someone of. I hope he manages to turn it around 🙏❤️