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Brother trashed the house while we were away TW: abuse

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Catar · 13/09/2025 18:59

Hi all, not even sure what I want posting this but my head is all over. Just got back this morning after being away with DP and the boys (DS3.5 and DS8mo). We only went an hour and a half away, Tuesday to today, just a little break. Came home and the house is absolutely trashed. My little brother who has just turned 18 is living here and honestly I feel like we’re at breaking point.

Bit of backstory. I’m 17 years older than him, I was basically grown when he was little. Our mum had what we now know was Munchausen by proxy with him, but back then everyone thought she was just struggling with a “poorly” child. She convinced doctors he had all sorts, dragged him in and out of hospitals, had schools thinking he was fragile. The only thing real is he’s type 1 diabetic. But even that she sort of used to make herself look like this amazing mum who was coping. He actually missed huge chunks of school from reception onwards, then she de-registered him completely at about 9 “for home ed” but she never taught him a thing. He can barely read now, writing is basically just a few words. All those years she was claiming DLA then later PIP for him.

When he was 17 she kicked him out after a massive row and I had to phone SS because he was still a child legally. They were useless tbh. Came out, spoke to him, said he was nearly 18 so not much they could do. I’ve reported concerns so many times over the years but each time my mum would cut me off and then later pretend nothing had happened. It’s always been me trying to pick up the pieces.

He’s 18 now but he’s like a lost little boy and also an absolute nightmare. He won’t go to therapy, refuses point blank, says everyone is against him. He doesn’t manage his diabetes properly at all, sometimes doesn’t take his insulin, sometimes injects too much, sometimes I have to beg him to let me do it. He drinks loads of monster and eats crap and then crashes. He’s constantly in and out of A&E, I’m waiting for the day I get the call that something awfuls happened.

His behaviour here is just off the scale. He smokes weed in his room, leaves food and dirty dishes everywhere, steals DP’s vape stuff and alcohol. He lies constantly, gets aggressive if you call him out, I’ve found used condoms in the bathroom bin, burnt spoons in his room, god knows what he’s been doing. He goes through my stuff too, I found my bank card hidden in his drawer once, he said he “borrowed” it but there was a £60 Deliveroo order on it.

He’s got no social skills at all, he doesn’t know how to be around people. It’s like he’s been trapped in a bubble his whole life. We just got home today and it’s disgusting. Plates of mouldy food in the living room, carpet ruined, my little one’s toys smashed, DS3.5’s little chair snapped in half. There’s fag burns on the sofa and he’s written on the wall in sharpie. Our bedroom has been gone through, I know because DP had hid some money in the wardrobe and it’s gone. There was actual sick in the sink too, just left there. And he’s also left his bloody needles lying about, which is terrifying with the babies here.

DP is at the end of his tether, says we can’t live like this and he needs to go. But where? He can’t look after himself. He’s still like a child in his head. He doesn’t cook anything other than chips or noodles in the microwave, doesn’t shower unless told, doesn’t wash clothes. He doesn’t understand basic life stuff because mum literally kept him so dependent.

Part of me feels desperately sorry for him, he had no chance with mum, she ruined his education and made him sick in the head about being ill all the time. His dad has never been in his life, mum abused him, so I’m all he really has. I don’t want to just abandon him. He can actually be really good with DS3.5, they’ll sit and play cars together for ages and DS adores him, but then the next minute he’s raging about something stupid and slamming doors and breaking things.

I feel guilty leaving him but I also feel like he’s dangerous to have around my kids. I just don’t know what to do anymore. I can’t be his carer, I’ve got two little boys and a DP who’s at breaking point. But if I kick him out where will he go? He has no job, no friends that aren’t into drugs, he doesn’t even know how to fill a form in. I honestly think he can’t even apply for universal credit without someone sitting with him.

Sorry this is so long and rambly.

OP posts:
Catar · 14/09/2025 15:19

I've already said what I'm going to do, maybe read the replies instead of being judgmental.

OP posts:
WhiskyintheJarr · 14/09/2025 15:20

Well, best of luck to you. Because I think you’re going to need it.

Volpini · 14/09/2025 15:34

Can’t believe the tone of some of these comments.
OP, wishing you and all of your family all the best. Hope you all get the support you need and deserve.

BigBirdOfPrey · 14/09/2025 15:47

You need to put your children first b4 you do to them what your mum done to him.
social services would take your kids if they are at risk of needle spiking

this is a no brainier, why is he not gone?
Burnt spoons- there will be several houses he can go to.

Hibernatingtilspring · 14/09/2025 16:12

Op as I said earlier on the thread, it doesn't have to be a choice between him living with you or sending him off without a backwards glance (as much as some posters seem to think it is!)
I think it would be wise to push adult services that you can't have him live with you, and see if they can help him move into something supported in a planned way, rather than a b&b on the day through the homeless route. Be aware that you have to be quite strong on this. Also if you're referring without his consent, you'll need to be clear that it's a safeguarding vulnerable adult referral, otherwise they'll knock it back and say he has to agree.

rainbowunicorn22 · 14/09/2025 16:16

if he stays,, you are putting the children at risk; you said needles, sick, broken items young ones should not have to be put through all that.
you are not responsible for what your mother did, that is done now nothing to do with you.
i think you have to be firm tell social services he needs to go he is putting you all at risk. he will have to go in a hostel or similar and damn well face up to life
before long it will be a choice between him and your husband

RoseRedorDead · 14/09/2025 16:49

@Catar I have a different suggestion. I know everyone is saying he has to leave, and I can see why with your kids there. However, what the poor boy needs is structure, rules, routine and a plan to sort his life out. You can give him this but you, your partner and he all have to be willing. If he stays, you essentially become his parents. He has to abide by your house rules (no smoking, vaping etc), he has to start learning and he needs to look for a job. Give him a day a week he needs to cook for the family, give him chores. What you are really doing is showing him he is loved and part of a family which is something he's probably never experienced. 17 is still so young. I have ds 18 and ds16. They're both still at home- eldest has decided to commute to university. I don't blame him as we're a chill home, but it's been based on them learning respect through structure and boundaries. And lots of downtime and a relaxed atmosphere 😂

You can all turn this around. He doesn't have to become homeless but there needs to be a plan that you are all working towards. Does he have any interests/ hobbies that you could encourage him with?

RoseRedorDead · 14/09/2025 16:49

Don't know what happened to my paragraphs!

OrlandointheWilderness · 14/09/2025 16:50

Quite frankly OP people are inferring you are a bad mum because you are actually being one. And insulin needles are still drug needles - insulin is a drug! Melting chocolate- c’mon OP, you didn’t come down with the last shower did you?! This adult is taking you for a complete ride, he’s stolen from you, put your children at risk, broken their things and trashed your house and you are STILL prioritising him over your young children. If I were your DH I’d leave and take them with me. All you are teaching them at the moment is they are less important and their stuff doesn’t matter. Nice.
i know you love him, but this has to stop.

MrsEMR · 14/09/2025 16:54

Your duty is to your children. Your DB is not your responsibility. Remove him from your home & change the locks.

TruckDiver · 14/09/2025 16:57

Jesus there are some tone-deaf arseholes on this forum.

Swiftie1878 · 14/09/2025 19:19

The most important thing is that you report it to SS, which I know you’ve now said you will do. Self reporting will help, but your kids could still removed if you refuse to let him leave.

Branleuse · 14/09/2025 19:32

Even if you think your mum broke him, that doesn't mean its entirely true, nor does it mean you can fix him.

Phatgurslyms · 14/09/2025 19:49

Catar · 14/09/2025 13:03

I am going to call adult social services tomorrow, I know that’s what has to happen. But I just can’t bring myself to send him to the council with a bag and say he’s homeless, I honestly think he would feel completely abandoned and he is so vulnerable, I can’t do that to him. It’s not just that he’d be upset, it’s that I don’t think he would cope, like genuinely. He’s really like a child in so many ways.

He does burn himself cooking, yes, but it’s not usually bad because we’re normally here so we step in before it gets that far. When we went away that’s when he managed to properly burn his hand because he put a pizza in and left it til it was basically black, then tried to take it out without a cloth or anything. Normally he’ll just mess things up but we can stop it before he actually injures himself.

About the spoons, yes I asked him. He swore blind he wasn’t doing anything dodgy, said he was trying to melt chocolate (which sounds ridiculous but he really doesn’t know how to cook at all, so I half believe it). He looked really offended when I suggested drugs and I do want to believe him. I know people said you don’t burn spoons for anything else but honestly with him, he could’ve been doing something stupid like that.

It isn’t necessarily heroin. It is probably cracK. His burned hand was probably from the crack pipe not from cooking a pizza.

Withthecorner · 14/09/2025 21:47

OP has had some very good advice from knowledgeable posters ( their posts are really easy to spot).

OP is going to call SS tomorrow.

It is a start.

This thread is going round and round with the same advice and the same lack of emotional intelligence from some.

OP needs her energies to continue to advocate and fight for her brother, not to continue to defend herself here.

Having been through similar, trying to find support for DSS, this will be a long and arduous road.

I hope @Catar that you do come back for more advice or DM the more knowledgeable posters. Good luck.

cocog · 14/09/2025 22:23

You need to take him to the council to house him explaining his condition with no reading and writing. Social services will remove your children from you as your putting them in danger even growing up with his volatile personality disorder is damaging them your husband is right he needs to leave they are tiny children and your responsibility. I’m sorry you obviously love him but you can’t do this he’s stealing from you all and his habits are disgusting and dangerous.

Twobigbabies · 14/09/2025 22:24

You don't have to actually take him anywhere near the GP or hospital to get the GP to make an adult safeguarding referral. Same with asd/learning disability referral. ASD assessments are often performed online these days- you could be with him and support him for this. He sounds dyspraxic from your description- this is commonly associated with other SEN issues. Diagnosis will help him get further support. My brother was diagnosed with ASD in adulthood and it has changed his life (for the better).

I get that you feel completely let down by the system but you must keep asking for help. You can't do this alone. He needs professional help. He must have a social worker? You need to be on his/her case first thing tomorrow. His benefits need sorting out. Sorry to be harsh but your mother is a monster. You and your brother need to go permanently NC with her. Good luck.

outerspacepotato · 14/09/2025 22:29

Have you asked your neighbors what went on while you were away?

Francestein · 15/09/2025 00:31

@Catar My bro was/is an addict. His behaviour was identical to your brother’s down to the spoons. He is a consumate liar. Somehow you end up feeling guilty for questioning what you know to be true. He never lived with me, but I cut him right out of my life because he terrified my kids. They’re adult now and they still worry about running into him.

arcticpandas · 15/09/2025 05:46

@Catar Noone with a heart would tell you to cut contact with your brother. The poor lad has been through hell and is messed up because of it. He can't be living with you though since he's putting your children into danger.

You can support him but he needs professionnal help. I understand you feel as a mother to him but even if you were his mother I would tell you the same thing: he can't be living with you because it's a safeguarding issue with you having young children at home.

Withthecorner · 15/09/2025 09:27

cocog · 14/09/2025 22:23

You need to take him to the council to house him explaining his condition with no reading and writing. Social services will remove your children from you as your putting them in danger even growing up with his volatile personality disorder is damaging them your husband is right he needs to leave they are tiny children and your responsibility. I’m sorry you obviously love him but you can’t do this he’s stealing from you all and his habits are disgusting and dangerous.

I keep saying it -social services will not necessarily remove the children. They will work with the family to assess and plan.

I work with schools, sadly, there are many children living in homes with drug addicted parents.

Where do you think all of these removed children will go?

Hmmmmwineandchocs · 15/09/2025 09:45

Your DP is right he has to go, so sorry OP you’ve tried so hard but this is beyond you especially with your children who need to be safe.

Coatsoff42 · 15/09/2025 09:59

Withthecorner · 15/09/2025 09:27

I keep saying it -social services will not necessarily remove the children. They will work with the family to assess and plan.

I work with schools, sadly, there are many children living in homes with drug addicted parents.

Where do you think all of these removed children will go?

Why would the OP think it’s ok just because other children also suffer neglect and danger in their houses?

It’s a risk it’s not worth taking. These children are the OPs priority. As much as she loves and pities her brother, he should never be her priority. Her children have no other mother to worry about them and if she can support her beloved brother with no detriment to her children great.

Its incredibly sad other children don’t get made their own parents priority, but that doesn’t justify the brother staying in this house.

EltonJohnsSunglasses · 15/09/2025 11:59

I have been through an almost identical situation recently but with my son. As heartbreaking as it was, I had to safeguard my other young children and ask him to leave. Police did have to be involved sadly. He was homeless for a couple of weeks and then housed in supported living accommodation. It is very early days but he is making baby steps of progress and I know that my other children are safe, both physically and emotionally. It’s the hardest, most heartbreaking thing I have ever been through but he is an adult and my children deserve to be safe and more importantly, feel safe in their own home. I am having therapy myself to cope with the situation and I would definitely recommend that. I hope your brother can access the help he so desperately needs. You cannot feel guilty about this - it isn’t your decisions that have led to this situation, you must prioritise your children.