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Brother trashed the house while we were away TW: abuse

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Catar · 13/09/2025 18:59

Hi all, not even sure what I want posting this but my head is all over. Just got back this morning after being away with DP and the boys (DS3.5 and DS8mo). We only went an hour and a half away, Tuesday to today, just a little break. Came home and the house is absolutely trashed. My little brother who has just turned 18 is living here and honestly I feel like we’re at breaking point.

Bit of backstory. I’m 17 years older than him, I was basically grown when he was little. Our mum had what we now know was Munchausen by proxy with him, but back then everyone thought she was just struggling with a “poorly” child. She convinced doctors he had all sorts, dragged him in and out of hospitals, had schools thinking he was fragile. The only thing real is he’s type 1 diabetic. But even that she sort of used to make herself look like this amazing mum who was coping. He actually missed huge chunks of school from reception onwards, then she de-registered him completely at about 9 “for home ed” but she never taught him a thing. He can barely read now, writing is basically just a few words. All those years she was claiming DLA then later PIP for him.

When he was 17 she kicked him out after a massive row and I had to phone SS because he was still a child legally. They were useless tbh. Came out, spoke to him, said he was nearly 18 so not much they could do. I’ve reported concerns so many times over the years but each time my mum would cut me off and then later pretend nothing had happened. It’s always been me trying to pick up the pieces.

He’s 18 now but he’s like a lost little boy and also an absolute nightmare. He won’t go to therapy, refuses point blank, says everyone is against him. He doesn’t manage his diabetes properly at all, sometimes doesn’t take his insulin, sometimes injects too much, sometimes I have to beg him to let me do it. He drinks loads of monster and eats crap and then crashes. He’s constantly in and out of A&E, I’m waiting for the day I get the call that something awfuls happened.

His behaviour here is just off the scale. He smokes weed in his room, leaves food and dirty dishes everywhere, steals DP’s vape stuff and alcohol. He lies constantly, gets aggressive if you call him out, I’ve found used condoms in the bathroom bin, burnt spoons in his room, god knows what he’s been doing. He goes through my stuff too, I found my bank card hidden in his drawer once, he said he “borrowed” it but there was a £60 Deliveroo order on it.

He’s got no social skills at all, he doesn’t know how to be around people. It’s like he’s been trapped in a bubble his whole life. We just got home today and it’s disgusting. Plates of mouldy food in the living room, carpet ruined, my little one’s toys smashed, DS3.5’s little chair snapped in half. There’s fag burns on the sofa and he’s written on the wall in sharpie. Our bedroom has been gone through, I know because DP had hid some money in the wardrobe and it’s gone. There was actual sick in the sink too, just left there. And he’s also left his bloody needles lying about, which is terrifying with the babies here.

DP is at the end of his tether, says we can’t live like this and he needs to go. But where? He can’t look after himself. He’s still like a child in his head. He doesn’t cook anything other than chips or noodles in the microwave, doesn’t shower unless told, doesn’t wash clothes. He doesn’t understand basic life stuff because mum literally kept him so dependent.

Part of me feels desperately sorry for him, he had no chance with mum, she ruined his education and made him sick in the head about being ill all the time. His dad has never been in his life, mum abused him, so I’m all he really has. I don’t want to just abandon him. He can actually be really good with DS3.5, they’ll sit and play cars together for ages and DS adores him, but then the next minute he’s raging about something stupid and slamming doors and breaking things.

I feel guilty leaving him but I also feel like he’s dangerous to have around my kids. I just don’t know what to do anymore. I can’t be his carer, I’ve got two little boys and a DP who’s at breaking point. But if I kick him out where will he go? He has no job, no friends that aren’t into drugs, he doesn’t even know how to fill a form in. I honestly think he can’t even apply for universal credit without someone sitting with him.

Sorry this is so long and rambly.

OP posts:
Thefsm · 14/09/2025 06:33

This is super serious. Like SS taking your sins away or your husband divorcing you level serious. He’s been a saint to allow your brother to stay as long as he has.

you need to write a letter stating he is being evicted on x day and then take him to the council so he can be give. Homeless accommodation. We lived in a shelter for 6 months when our youngest was a baby, as it was the only way to get on the housing list. Whilst it was not ideal, it wasn’t as bad as people suggest. He’ll get his own room and toilet, a shared kitchen and shower and social area and he’ll likely make some friends. The staff will see in person what his needs are and go from there.

we can’t save everyone. He may be too broken to fix especially as he refuses therapy. Your kids and your husband have to come first.

you should also seek therapy yourself to help realize that the guilt you feel is misplaced. In the long run this is what is best for him as well as everyone else.

Poppins21 · 14/09/2025 06:36

KTheGrey · 13/09/2025 19:06

DP is right. This is not your fault and you do need to act to protect your children.

It sounds like he has been using in your house and this is not safe for your very small children.

He can go to a hostel and it may give him the wake up call he needs to sort himself out but you really can’t do that for him.

I hope somebody will come along in a minute to give you some useful contacts - I would start with social services and housing.

Your first priority is your small children- they need a safe calm home.

Autumn1990 · 14/09/2025 06:49

You can’t keep him at home but he is still under 25so potentially more help available
Not being able to manage his diabetes should qualify him for supported housing along with what are essentially disabilities due to his upbringing.
On Monday morning adult social services is your first port of call but also The kings trust, mind, Camphill trust, there are bound to be smaller charities, ring as many as you can to find out what the options are. The best option for him might be geographically elsewhere in the country. The aim is supported live with carers on site 24/7 and some educational work activity and the options of holidays days out so he lives a more fulfilling life. Single man accommodation in the community unfortunately won’t work but his needs are greater than that

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 14/09/2025 06:54

VivaForever81 · 13/09/2025 20:00

Where’s your mum in all this, she created these issues.

Given that the 'mother' created this shitstorm of a tragedy, this comment is a bit fatuous

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 14/09/2025 06:58

smilingfanatic · 14/09/2025 06:21

This is desperately sad. You've had plenty of advice but I wanted to say I am sorry for your brother, and for you too. It is absolutely disgraceful what's happened to get him to this point. Yes he does have personal responsibility for his behaviour, but I think some are underestimating what a childhood of serious abuse + a lack of education robs someone of. I hope he manages to turn it around 🙏❤️

Yes - desperately desperately sad

@Catar - did this apology of a mother face criminal prosecution? And zero SS intervention or even reporting?

Zonder · 14/09/2025 07:02

He needs help with his diabetes. Because he is managing it so badly he might be able to get a pump, and possibly even a closed loop one that could save his life.

He needs to move out. You have no need to feel guilty for this. He isn't your responsibility and you have tried really hard. Time to protect your children now.

GingerBeverage · 14/09/2025 07:04

Where’s his father?

CRCGran · 14/09/2025 07:07

OP, you say you worry that he'll end up dead, but it could literally be one of your kids who does. If even the worst was to happen to him it is ABSOLUTELY NOT "ON YOU"!!! You've done way more than most would for him. His needs are way beyond what you can handle. Btw, where is he getting money for drugs etc?? You can't enable him by giving him money. You really must put your husband and children first. HE IS NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY.

BoldBlueZebra · 14/09/2025 07:09

This is going to sound so harsh and I apologise for that you have two children you are not keeping them safe from him that is your priority. He can’t function as an adult but manages to find buy and use drugs. You need help and he needs to be out of your home or in 18 years we will be here reading a thread from your sons about how their mother prioritised their drug abusing uncle and kept him in their home exposing them to needles and drug paraphernalia

Coatsoff42 · 14/09/2025 07:11

You can still be a major influence in his life, you can stay very involved with him, he can eat dinner at your house every day, or sleep over from time to time. You can call him every day, there’s a lot of things you can do, but I would agree with PP, he can’t live with your children, he has betrayed your trust and lied to you while you were on holiday.

It’s incredibly sad how his childhood has set him back. You are very big hearted to care for him so much, but I worry it might cost you and your own children if things escalate.

I don’t know how good his reading is, but there is a charity for adults who can’t read https://readeasy.org.uk

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DorothyStorm · 14/09/2025 07:12

This is such an awful read. If social services wont do anything what about the police? It is criminal damage and they might be then able to contact aocial services as he is 17.

Youknowwhatright · 14/09/2025 07:23

A lot of these responses I think are a bit OTT because you mentioned leaving needles lying around and drugs and so pp have put two and two together and concluded that he is injecting drugs. From your updates it sounds like this is not the case but he is at least smoking stuff and stealing money so it could quickly escalate. I don’t disagree that needles are unsafe with small DC of course but it doesn’t sound like you currently have a hard core drug addict living with you. And I do agree that if you kick him out he will probably become homeless and spiral quite quickly. Therefore I wouldn’t jump to kicking him out immediately but put in place some very strict rules with clear consequences if he breaks them and in the meantime start looking into a longer term solution as I agree he can’t live there long term. But if you literally kick him out today then things might go quite differently to if say you plan on him moving out in the next few weeks.

It also struck me that you see him as very vulnerable (which he clearly is) and helpless, which I’m not so convinced of. You say he can’t fill in forms but he managed to register himself an account with Deliveroo and set up the delivery and find your DPs bank card and enter the card details correctly etc. You also say he couldn’t sit down and talk to another 17/18 year old yet he clearly has friends who he is seeing. I don’t doubt that he would struggle academically with college etc but he is quite possibly more capable and resourceful than you may think. He would undoubtedly need some support and guidance but if he doesn’t have learning difficulties then there’s no reason why he couldn’t eventually get a job and be able to live independently.

Daleksatemyshed · 14/09/2025 07:26

Horrible situation Op but sadly you can't make this better, no doubt you feel guilty that your childhood was better but it's not your fault, it's all on your DM. He needs to go, he'll ruin your DC lives, your marriage, your home, if you don't act now he'll never leave and he'll drag you down with him. I'm so sorry for you both

Eeehbyeck · 14/09/2025 07:30

Catar · 13/09/2025 20:06

I did trust him to be here while we went away, I honestly thought it would be ok for a few days. I was calling him every day while we were gone, checking in, reminding him to take his insulin and eat properly. He was saying everything was fine, so coming home to the state of the house has been such a shock.

I get that he’s technically an adult now, but I can’t shake the fact that he is so vulnerable. He can’t even properly manage his insulin without me nagging him, and if he gets it wrong it’s not just “he’ll feel rough” it’s literally life or death. I worry if I just pack his bag and send him off to the council or whatever he’ll end up really unwell or worse, and then it’s on me. He could actually kill himself by accident, just by messing up his injections, he doesn’t understand the seriousness.

I know DP and the boys have to come first, I do. But I keep thinking if I kick him out I’ll be signing his death warrant. That’s the part I’m really struggling with.

Oh OP, this all sounds so heartbreaking, I’m sorry sorry. What a mess your mum has made.
the risk here is that by trying to save your brother you will inadvertently give your own children an unsafe and traumatic childhood plus risk losing your marriage which will affect you all. This situation you’re in will also be effecting your generally quality of life and ability to parent and connect with you husband and children.
it really is as black and white as choosing your kids first here.
i get the weight of guilt with regards to his vulnerability and risk to his well being if you’re not there constantly to manage it but you can still be involved in his life and essentially unless he gets off heroin there is very very little you can do anyhow.
get him out of the house immediately, I’m usually on the side of not doing this but in this case he’s an immediate danger to your family and himself.
wherever he goes you can still see him but it’s unsafe to have him in your home, ultimately if anything happened to your kids such as accidental heroin exposure / hepatitis exposure / witnessing of violence / drug dealers turning up at your door etc etc etc you’re at risk of social services being involved.
the state that your brother is in means he’s showing you, your family and your home zero respect but you’re continuing to facility his way of life by keeping him at yours.
good luck, this sounds so hard x

Eeehbyeck · 14/09/2025 07:32

Youknowwhatright · 14/09/2025 07:23

A lot of these responses I think are a bit OTT because you mentioned leaving needles lying around and drugs and so pp have put two and two together and concluded that he is injecting drugs. From your updates it sounds like this is not the case but he is at least smoking stuff and stealing money so it could quickly escalate. I don’t disagree that needles are unsafe with small DC of course but it doesn’t sound like you currently have a hard core drug addict living with you. And I do agree that if you kick him out he will probably become homeless and spiral quite quickly. Therefore I wouldn’t jump to kicking him out immediately but put in place some very strict rules with clear consequences if he breaks them and in the meantime start looking into a longer term solution as I agree he can’t live there long term. But if you literally kick him out today then things might go quite differently to if say you plan on him moving out in the next few weeks.

It also struck me that you see him as very vulnerable (which he clearly is) and helpless, which I’m not so convinced of. You say he can’t fill in forms but he managed to register himself an account with Deliveroo and set up the delivery and find your DPs bank card and enter the card details correctly etc. You also say he couldn’t sit down and talk to another 17/18 year old yet he clearly has friends who he is seeing. I don’t doubt that he would struggle academically with college etc but he is quite possibly more capable and resourceful than you may think. He would undoubtedly need some support and guidance but if he doesn’t have learning difficulties then there’s no reason why he couldn’t eventually get a job and be able to live independently.

The fact that he has burnt spoons in his room is 100% proof he’s cooking hard drugs

Justwhy2 · 14/09/2025 07:32

This is a really sad situation, however the bottom line - if social services find out what has been going on with drugs in your house, you could lose your children.

Speak with social services, help him with his UC application and getting set up, then leave him to it.

DorothyStorm · 14/09/2025 07:34

Eeehbyeck · 14/09/2025 07:32

The fact that he has burnt spoons in his room is 100% proof he’s cooking hard drugs

That could be from cannabis use.

Eeehbyeck · 14/09/2025 07:40

Catar · 13/09/2025 20:40

Looking back, my dad did most of the parenting to me they split when I was in my early teens and my brother was born when I was 17. His dad has never met him, I'm insure whether that was his choice or my mums.

I think my mum was abusive towards him to keep him reliant on her, it was just the 2 of them. She made him believe if he went out to school or just anywhere! He’d be unwell. The times I reported it to social services, she cut me off, told him I hated him and stopped me from seeing him. She never left him with me or anyone, he was always with her. She lied about him having asd and not being able to cope around others, and I do understand this is genuine for some children but he's never been diagnosed or even assessed to my knowledge, I can't say he is or isn't because I'm not a professional but she just said this to isolate him even from me.

I did suggest him go to college, he was still 17 at the start of the academic year so was entitled to free college education but he refused, it is hard though he's extremely behind his peers, I think he'd struggle to sit down and talk to another 17/18 year old and he's very behind academically, he can't read except basic things or write, he can't do basic maths either and he knows this and I think he's embarrassed to go into college. I've told him he wouldn't be thrown into a gcse maths class for instance but he doesn't believe me/still refused.

If you get opportunity at any point in the future it would probably be worth trying to get him assed for neurodivergence. There are a lot of stats out there to say a high percentage of men in particular who are homeless / have drug abuse issues are neurodivergent.
before anyone jumps on me to say this is a slur against anyone who is neurodivergent, it really isn’t. The research I read is that it likely stems from self medicating tendencies and issues with making and maintaining relationships if unsupported

Eeehbyeck · 14/09/2025 07:48

DorothyStorm · 14/09/2025 07:34

That could be from cannabis use.

Extremely unlikely isn’t it, if he’s a regular smoker there’s no way he’d be using a spoon to smoke it plus he’d need two spoons to heat up and put the canabis inbetween like ‘hot kniving’

SillyColours · 14/09/2025 07:53

Tbh he does sound ND. But he does need a wake up call or he's never going to manage in life. I would try adult social care first or even a GP.

DorothyStorm · 14/09/2025 07:57

SillyColours · 14/09/2025 07:53

Tbh he does sound ND. But he does need a wake up call or he's never going to manage in life. I would try adult social care first or even a GP.

Trauma can have the same impact and present in a very similar way to ND. Like foetal alcohol syndrome can easily be mistaken for ADHD.

Dopeydoraz · 14/09/2025 07:59

I’m so sorry. This is an impossible situation. I don’t know what I’d do but please be careful not to alienate your husband.

Stressedout150 · 14/09/2025 08:02

Oh for gods sake- put your children first!!! This isn’t even difficult

smilingfanatic · 14/09/2025 08:04

Smelling the spoon may clear things up on the cannabis front.

@Youknowwhatright makes a good point about perceived helplessness. Buying weed/hash/resin requires a certain level of executive function - communication and organisational skills at the very least.

bakebeans · 14/09/2025 08:09

Sorry you are going through this. You need to put your children first. He needs to leave.
has he seen his GP about his mental health and his type 1 diabetes. The GP may need to refer him to the mental health team and the local diabetes team who can support him with his diabetes.

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