My son has gone on the march

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Hi, have been on here years but only lurk, don’t post. But today is the day.
I am in bits. My 22yr old DS is in London on this march. I am shaking and utterly appalled. We differ on politics massively and have done for some time. I work in education, have travelled and am bit of a lefty hippy but to be honest it’s becoming more about values and morals. He is fully immersed in the manosphere algorithm and I’ve always thought he is exploring himself and things and have chats about why he has the opinions he does and try and understand his point of view. I try not to belittle him but try and get him to critically think about things.
But this I can’t deal with. I am so upset that my son has gone to this, and that it is something that is so far away from me and my values, something that I thought I had instilled in him as well.
I am totally aware that it’s triggered embarrassment but that is my issue and I’m not putting that on him. He is still my son and I love him and his passion and interest in the world, just in something I believe is so wrong and makes me sad.
Please talk some sense into me.

Let's be honest, the NHS is dire. Whatever we bring in to replace it has got to be better than.what we have now. I had to visit A&E last week with Don who was having asthma episode. Middle of the night, mid week. Standing room only. I was there 6 hours. And I was told that was pretty decent as generally 8 hours. Rang the GP. Number 36 in the queue at 9am in a morning. Trying to get nhs dentist for my aunt. Waiting list of 3 years. It can't continue as it is as its really not fit for purpose. I'd welcome a review.

Maybe her son has also expressed his feelings in a balanced and thoughtful way. The OP by starting this post has suggested she struggles to understand her son and that his political views are just as valid as hers

I highly doubt all the people there are supporters of the far right though.

Edited to add that I had no idea what the number 88 was in reference to and I expect that's the same for a lot of people.

Maybe read the thread where people have already explained why they view this March as far right. Again, how do you feel about the use of code for Heil Hitler in the promotional material? Do you consider that ‘far right’? Or just part of concern for immigration? Net immigration has fallen by a half this year, incidentally, so I don't think we can say it’s ‘out of control’ just at the moment.

Then they should be careful of the company they keep. They are boosting far right views by attending.

I think it’s been long established that 88 is such a code by the far right.

Is that from the Robinson supporters or the counter demonstrators?

Hope your family member doesn't get hurt.

If that's the rhetoric you want to promote then you are most definitely part of the 'perceived' problem.

Maybe give Shady Shae a follow on YouTube? You might actually learn something...

It's organised and led by Tommy Robinson and his thugs so, yes, it is

Is that a bit like the Da Vinci Code?

If so it's lost on me 🤔

I'm just not buying the 'concerned citizens' rhetoric.

Some of us are old enough to remember the National Front marches of the 80's and honestly, there is no difference.

Let's just say that crowd, like all of the recent marches, will be dominated by angry white men who'd come second in my choice to spend time with over an angry bear in a wood every single time.

This is not how you get political reform.

This is how you intimidate 'foreigners'.

No, ‘whatever’ is brought in doesn’t have to be better. You could have all that plus be bankrupt at the end of it. Or denied treatment.

The man who assaulted a girl was arrested and taken to court in accordance with the law. It was racist to assume all the other asylum seekers were rapists and threaten to burn the hotel down.

First I've heard about it 🤔

It’s been explained. And no, it’s not like fiction. It’s an actual, well known way of Nazis recognising each other. I knew about it before this.

Here you go.

Exactly. Hopefully may now squash the myth that all protests on the left are peaceful. Both as bad as each other it seems.....

Column 88 - Wikipedia https://share.google/XkneysZvq5OhwulYl

The 88 bus.

Who threatened to burn the hotel down?

Yes it’s totally about Uniting Britain:

Plenty of stories & anecdotes of people in the States having all the same complaints about their healthcare as we do here...from waiting times, administration, bureaucracy to poor care.

Well it’s use has been banned in other European countries for this reason

No-one threatened to "burn the hotel down" .

Yes sadly but predictably it’s starting to kick off by the sounds of things, missiles being thrown towards police from the Robinson mob. I expect things will get worse as the various football matches finish soon and all those thugs are added to the mix.

It’s hard to follow on YT now as all the independent live streamers have been taken down but you could see an hour or so ago on them that the atmosphere was turning ugly and getting very overcrowded.

I can’t find where that code is used in today’s march? What was the actual context?