My son has gone on the march

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Hi, have been on here years but only lurk, don’t post. But today is the day.
I am in bits. My 22yr old DS is in London on this march. I am shaking and utterly appalled. We differ on politics massively and have done for some time. I work in education, have travelled and am bit of a lefty hippy but to be honest it’s becoming more about values and morals. He is fully immersed in the manosphere algorithm and I’ve always thought he is exploring himself and things and have chats about why he has the opinions he does and try and understand his point of view. I try not to belittle him but try and get him to critically think about things.
But this I can’t deal with. I am so upset that my son has gone to this, and that it is something that is so far away from me and my values, something that I thought I had instilled in him as well.
I am totally aware that it’s triggered embarrassment but that is my issue and I’m not putting that on him. He is still my son and I love him and his passion and interest in the world, just in something I believe is so wrong and makes me sad.
Please talk some sense into me.

Barbados? Given the colonial history of Barbados, that’s a strange country to use to make your point. Very strange.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwydezxl0xlo

Oh come on! This is ridiculously disingenuous.

I’m sure you would, but thankfully that’s not what actually happened.

yes but someone is 'making her' thats the point. In our society we dont want women to be oppressed by men, so it would be nice if we stopped it.

Maybe he’s rebelling against your upbringing of him. Maybe you tried to indoctrinate him and he’s not up for far left propaganda anymore.

This is from the Daily Mail in case anyone thinks it is Left wing biased reporting.

Other speakers included New Zealand Christian fundamentalist Brian Tamaki, who told the crowd: 'Christianity versus the rest. Islam, Hinduism, Bahai, Buddhism, whatever else you're into — they're all false. We gotta clean our countries up.
'Ban any type of public expression in our Christian nation from other religions. Ban halal. Ban burqas. Ban mosques, temples, shrines. We don't want those in our countries.'

On a march for "freedom of speech".

Depends, does your son want immigration control which should include the millions of brits infesting other countries, like Spain, who are trying to get them out? Or just the blacks who by the way some have been in uk for generations and have family who fought in your precious world wars. I am all for everyone staying in their own countries of origin and leaving other countries resources etc along, but I doubt English would like that as they would lose out massively since we no longer produce anything ourselves of worth

So ever veiled woman is doing it because they are forced to ? Don’t talk rubbish.

Women are continually oppressed by men in our culture… some people need to look at the statistics of violence again women and girls, gender pay gap, misogyny in society etc

care to answer the question?

Agree. Most of them will no doubt go home full of booze and take their perma rage out on their wives/partners/families. Utter thugs.

Nope. 110,000 according to the police.
They are behaving pretty thugishly now, from what I can see.

You might also see a lot of this

Does it really merit an answer? We are not Barbados and neither would we want to be. Or would you?

@ExtraOnions Of course mysogny is also in non muslim cultures, but thats not the issue you originally raised. ...

....back to the point....its one thing to cover your head eg male sikhs, male jews and female muslims...but quite another to wear a veil, which is a hindrance and never seen being performed by males. Its not anything a woman would choose for herself without men manipulating her. Hence it should be banned here, unless you think her rights are less than yours?

This.

Your self-righteousness and heart-broken woe that someone you know could have a different view from you is remarkable.

The view that there is only one set of correct opinions is the reason why we are where we are today.

But now you know, now people have told you and given you links, why don’t you understand?

@Grumpyoldpersonwithcats
It's way way more than 100,000
I was quoted 3 MILLION - I bet it turns out to be nearly that... more people are trying to get there as I write..depends on what 'Source' you use hey Grumpy.
The silent majority are speaking up.
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sounds like these idiot united kingdom think they are american.

My son and I align politically [to the left]. We agree on most issues...bar one.

We just no longer discuss it. We're never going to find consensus.

The previous comment you made that was swiftly deleted was the one that indicated you're a racist. Hence the speedy deletion.

Where are people getting figure of 3 million from? Or is that what Tommy Robinson is saying 😁?
If there were really that many on the march, they wouldn't actually be able to negotiate their way through the streets.

Some of the protesters appear to have started to throw missiles at the police. What a surprise. Not.

Regardless of the racial demographic of Barbados, they were ruled by the white Brits for centuries and have the right to independence. The British, on the other hand, having raped, pillaged and colonised most of the world need to deal with the consequences of their actions and accept that immigration is a natural outcome of their history. Also, Britain isn’t even coming close to becoming majority non-white.

Stay open and welcoming to him. He has as much right to his own different views as you do.

Ask and listen. Don't react with criticism and anger; that will keep him on the defensive so he doubles down and digs in.

Ask him to share links to what he's eebn reading.g and watching, because you're intsterested to learn more.

The more you do that the more you'll learn about him and what's going on in his head, where his influences are coming from and where they're leading him.

And do your own research about the bees in his bonnet. The reputable sources, statistics and reports.

I think the Met police who are there and actually do need to know the number in order to do their jobs are a pretty reliable source. Of course, their job is being made much more difficult on account of that not-so-silent not-a-majority flinging bottles at them and attacking them.