Turn your son in knowing it’s the death penalty?

[TaupeLemur]

Kirk’s killer has apparently been turned in by his family - or persuaded to hand himself in.
Trump &’his supporters have been very vocal about getting the death penalty for the shooter.

would YOU hand your child over, knowing that the electric chair would be the likely outcome?

YANBU - I wouldn’t turn him in to die.

YABU - I would he’s a killer and deserves all he gets

to be honest it sounds like his family are conservatives. He grew up Mormon. Thats going to change the narrative that he was a hate filled democrat surely. That would be why the family turned him in though, because they are conservative.

I don't see what other choice the family had - it was only a matter of time before the police found him and it would either end up with the son being killed in the arrest process or facing the death penalty anyway. At least this way they have a better hope of fighting against the death penalty. I sincerely doubt the father found it an easy decision.

Exactly. I and others have been very clear that we think he was a terrible person and are not sad that he has died, but that doesn’t mean he deserved to die. You can both think that it is awful someone is murdered and not be sad that a bad person is dead.

I dont believe in the death penalty nor do I believe in the right to bare arms.

I am so pleased I live in the UK.
If my child had committed murder I THINK I would turn him in. Hopefully, in a just society he would serve his time and eventually be rehabilitated and no longer be a threat to society.

I do think that those who believe in the right to buy and use guns as morally repugnant.

I am glad I live in a country that does not see gun ownership as a right. I was amazed that there seems to be no limit on the control on the number of weapons you can buy in USA.

If you own one, you learn to fire it. If you know how to what stops you from using it.

I only think, I know how I would react if it was my son but who knows for sure!

Hopefully, living in the UK I won't be in that position.

I feel so sorry for the man's children and family.

I think on balance I probably would.

I wouldn't say I am always against the death penalty in all circumstances but I don't think it can normally be justified in modern developed countries.

However, I would have to weigh the possibility of that against the fact of the crime and the duty to the family of the victim, the possibility of further crimes, and even the likelihood of my child being killed by the police or another citizen.

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Apologies, I misunderstood.

On Charlie Kirk, he was a horrible man, he was against the 1964 civil rights acts, the one that banned segregation and gave Black people the vote. He was against MLK, I mean that's crazy, he believed in Great replacement theory. Also words can be harmful, just because he only spoke doesn't mean he didn't cause harm, the health misinformation on birth control, abortion, vaccines that he spread has real life implications, talking about BC ruining women, getting rid of their fertility, he was part of the growing movement against any birth control.

I'm not celebrating his death, but I'm not sad about it. I'm sad about him getting shot because of the repercussions of that, it's going to cause more polarisation, and fuell him being seen as a martyr. I mean Boris Johnson said he had 'common sense opinions', like what that abortion isn't medically necessary? That the 1964 civil rights act shouldn't have happened? That having a gun is so important that's the worth the cost of lives being lost. I mean that's just ludicrous. On his kids, I'm sure they are sad, I'm also sure they don't understand a lot of what he did, I also think that for a girl to have such a misogynistic father, that's not exactly a positive thing to grow up with, and the implications for what she may have experienced or not being able to do, I think would have been pretty broad. Obviously violence is wrong but I think it's nuanced and we should point out the harm and also the incitement to violence that Charlie put out into the world, though the shooting is only going to make everything worse and it's a slippery slope from here.

Very true, the mother of the shooter in the church recently has been targeted for horrific abuse online

There is a literal genocide where children are dying he did supported the people doing this, he also said that victims of rape should not have access to abortions including children, he was against gun control & said school shootings where a price he was willing to pay so he could own a gun, he had awful views towards immigrants, women & the lqbtq communities,I hate gun crime & i dont want anyone to die , i also dont agree with the death penalty but I'm not sorry he's gone. If a man openly says that if his daughter got raped at 10 and got pregnant she would have to carry that baby to term , you lose the "he was a father " argument ,his daughter is safer without him in her life.

Sorry for the Republicans that he appears to be one of them by upbringing and a lone killer. Kinda fucks the leftist radical angle but hey-ho, you'll catch a lucky one sometime in the next decade. Maybe.

No one’s asking you to go into mourning, just to be a decent human being and realize that murdering people in cold blood is “something terrible,” regardless of who the victim is.

I couldn’t give a shit if the shooter was a dyed in the wool leftie or a right wing nutter. I abhor extremism on either side - any political opinions that an individual holds that lead him to commit murder for are extreme views.

I’ve always been on the fence about the death penalty. I’ve always thought that serial killers, serial rapists, pedophiles don’t deserve to be in this earth but I also think they shouldn’t be allowed a way out of life either. As horrible as it was I don’t believe one shooting deserves the death penalty just because of who he was and who he knew. I do think he should rot in prison because taking someone’s life isn’t justified. I don’t think I could turn my son in for the death penalty, but I would want him to face the consequences of his actions because not only was a persons life taken, that persons family has been torn apart. I guess I’ll never truly know, well I’d like to think I’ll never have to make the choice.

I wouldn't turn my child in for anything. I agree with the death penalty if 100%guilty but there's nothing my child could do that would mean I'd want them dead.

Nobody on here is saying they are pleased he was murdered. I think you can not want to see him shot and also not be sorry he's dead. Those are different things. I suspect this is what quite a lot of people are actually feeling, but aren't articulating it well. They weren't proactively hoping somebody would shoot him, but they do think that someone who promoted hate at every turn is not a loss to humanity.

This is an absolutely mental thread! I've had my posts deleted for challenging celebrating murder! Not of a criminal, but for someone innocent with opposing religious/political views. im still in utter shock that this is really how humans think! And act! Im done with this thread! Im going into hiding!

I agree. And also just to be mindful that there are people on this planet who think you deserve to be shot for sharing opinions. Regardless of which side of the political spectrum you’re on, this is a worrying thing.

This is such a valid point. We have no right to take a life, unless we think we have a right

I’ve watched Charlie Kirk for some time, I’ve never seen a video of him yelling at anyone. I’ve heard him get yelled at.

No, you’ve had your posts deleted for childish name calling and personal attacks. And you haven’t been able to identify one post that celebrates murder. Because there haven’t been any.

He beliefs appear to have motivated him to kill someone, no?

Sooooo many people have said that!!! And you know it!!!!

Well they are all still there

What’s a mental illness?