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Turn your son in knowing it’s the death penalty?

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TaupeLemur · 12/09/2025 15:28

Kirk’s killer has apparently been turned in by his family - or persuaded to hand himself in.
Trump &’his supporters have been very vocal about getting the death penalty for the shooter.

would YOU hand your child over, knowing that the electric chair would be the likely outcome?

YANBU - I wouldn’t turn him in to die.

YABU - I would he’s a killer and deserves all he gets

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Goddessoftheearth · 12/09/2025 21:53

ThatWaryOchreQuoter · 12/09/2025 21:26

It’s not quite the same, there’s very little evidence that an unborn foetus would be found competent to stand trial.

It’s about the sanctity of life. Every life is sacred. Is it not?

DorothyGaleFromKansas · 12/09/2025 21:55

Goddessoftheearth · 12/09/2025 21:53

It’s about the sanctity of life. Every life is sacred. Is it not?

Can we all agree not slugs, though, right?

WhereIsMyJumper · 12/09/2025 21:56

DorothyGaleFromKansas · 12/09/2025 21:47

me too @WhereIsMyJumper - we debated this on another Charlie Kirk thread a day or two ago, where I tried to impress that words carry power and can be dangerous, and I also really respect the change of opinion. And also props to @InMyShowgirlEra for clearly elaborating better than I did!

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I have learned a lot over the past couple of days and I am trying to hold a mirror up to myself. I think, no matter if we disagree on things, I am desperately hoping that a man being shot for his words will make people think about how they speak to others and how they engage in debate. Both sides of the political spectrum. And that we can be open to actually listening to each other.

I just want to get to the truth, no matter how ugly it is. I have (and still do) disagree with a lot you have said on this thread but I completely defend your right to say it ✌️
And we will probably both pop up on another thread another time and completely agree with each other on another topic.

We have all more in common than we think.

Goddessoftheearth · 12/09/2025 21:57

DorothyGaleFromKansas · 12/09/2025 21:55

Can we all agree not slugs, though, right?

Personally I chuck them info my neighbours garden 🙃

WhereIsMyJumper · 12/09/2025 21:57

DorothyGaleFromKansas · 12/09/2025 21:55

Can we all agree not slugs, though, right?

Ha! See! I agree with you! Grin

EviesHat · 12/09/2025 21:57

I strongly disagree with the right to bear arms. I think allowing civilians to own and carry guns just because they want to is not only ridiculous but also irresponsible and incredibly dangerous.

But I believe others have the right to disagree with my opinion, and to declare their opposition in public.

The young man who murdered Charlie Kirk did so knowing he was in a state which has the death penalty. He either cares so little for his own life or believes he was entitled to murder, that he felt his actions outweighed the risk of execution he now faces. If he values his own life so low, and was prepared to take the life of a stranger, what makes anyone think he’d value the life of a child, his parents, his siblings or anyone else, more? Life is expendable to people like that - yours included.

I hadn’t heard of Charlie Kirk until he was killed. Seeing social media declaring him to be a right-wing fascist monster who advocated killing gay and trans people, but knowing the internet isn’t always reliable, I took a look at some of his videos.

I saw him voice opinions with which I strongly disagree.

I also saw someone who, during a debate with a college-aged trans person, say that his greatest wish was for the trans person to stop trying to medicalise themselves out of their internal trauma and to hopefully learn to become happy in their own body and be at peace with themselves.

I also saw someone who, when talking with a college-aged person who introduced themselves as a gay conservative, say that whilst he personally did not support the young person’s choice of lifestyle, he recognised him as a decent person who held many of the same values and that he welcomed the gay young person into the conservative movement just as he was, without needing to change.

Clearly, Charlie Kirk was a monster.

I could not find him saying that children being shot is an acceptable price to pay for gun ownership, but if he did that does sound very troubling.

But perhaps this wording is a summary, an interpretation, rather than a direct quote. In which case, perhaps we need to consider it against a backdrop of a culture in which gun ownership is the norm. That is difficult for people like me who live in the UK.

But, then again, despite banning gun ownership here, we, as a society, seem to believe that the untimely deaths of 1400 people a year, 70 of whom are children, is an acceptable price to pay for the right to own and drive a car. So maybe we shouldn’t be so quick to condemn Charlie Kirk’s opinion. Those in glass houses etc etc.

As for those mothers who say they wouldn’t turn in their child for murder if they lived in a place with the death penalty - does that only apply to murder? Would you also cover up rape? Oklahoma pushed to allow the death penalty in cases of child rape, a crime that has lasting repercussions for the victim for the rest of their lives. Some victims sadly commit suicide because they cannot deal with the trauma, and rapists are very likely to commit rape multiple times until they are caught.

Would you refuse to turn in your child for rape, thereby potentially allowing your child to rape another, perhaps a victim who then took their own life? Or is it just right-leaning men that you’d allow them to kill?

mumofoneAloneandwell · 12/09/2025 21:58

Honestly. No 🥺

DorothyGaleFromKansas · 12/09/2025 21:58

WhereIsMyJumper · 12/09/2025 21:57

Ha! See! I agree with you! Grin

🤣 Wasps I will grudgingly let slide as they do at least pollinate, but slugs can fuck right off.

Rosscameasdoody · 12/09/2025 21:58

DorothyGaleFromKansas · 12/09/2025 21:41

And I’m fine with MN taking the call to delete that if they choose to do so. I’m not losing my shit over it and throwing temper tantrums, because that’s how forums work.

That wasn’t the point I was making, but OK.

WhereIsMyJumper · 12/09/2025 22:00

DorothyGaleFromKansas · 12/09/2025 21:58

🤣 Wasps I will grudgingly let slide as they do at least pollinate, but slugs can fuck right off.

Slugs are absolute bastards 😂

Anon662120622 · 12/09/2025 22:07

How would everyone feel if it had been the other way around, and your child had been shot in the throat in front of you and their young family.. Would you still hold the same opinion that the death penalty is "unethical"?

If your daughter had been raped and beaten to death at a young age, would you then deem the death penalty as being "unethical" OR would you want the perpetrator to be given the same fate?

As hard as it would be, I would definitely hand him over. If he's willing to assasinate someone in front of hundereds of people, Including his wife and children, just because they disagree with their beliefs, that certainly wouldn't be the one and only murder they commit.

Tatemoderndrawyourown · 12/09/2025 22:08

Cherrytree86 · 12/09/2025 21:07

@Tatemoderndrawyourown

why is it ok for others to face the consequences and not your offspring?! NEWSFLASH- your children are not above anyone else.

NEWSFLASH: please read before opening your mouth, otherwise you end up looking really stupid

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TaupeLemur · 12/09/2025 22:12

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I absolutely agree, which is why I hope that kid who just shot someone doesn’t get the death penalty. Barbaric.

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WhereIsMyJumper · 12/09/2025 22:12

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You don’t stand alone. I agree that humans shouldn’t be put to death for their political opinions. Many others on the thread agree with this stance.

Dearnurse · 12/09/2025 22:13

ParmaVioletTea · 12/09/2025 20:15

Utterly gross. How do you live with yourself, thinking it's OK to murder someone because they're saying things you don't agree with.

You are an idiot I put in my post that I do not agree with what he did .

DorothyGaleFromKansas · 12/09/2025 22:13

WhereIsMyJumper · 12/09/2025 22:12

You don’t stand alone. I agree that humans shouldn’t be put to death for their political opinions. Many others on the thread agree with this stance.

I think everyone on the thread agrees with that stance - nobody has said otherwise, but that particular poster seems convinced otherwise. 🤷‍♀️

spoonbillstretford · 12/09/2025 22:13

"We've got him!"

How childish. You mean you arrested a suspect. Do they not have contempt of court? How can he have a fair trial?

WhereIsMyJumper · 12/09/2025 22:13

TaupeLemur · 12/09/2025 22:12

I absolutely agree, which is why I hope that kid who just shot someone doesn’t get the death penalty. Barbaric.

If the shooter gets the death penalty, then he will die because he murdered someone and not because of his beliefs.

Although I don’t agree with the death penalty, either.

WhereIsMyJumper · 12/09/2025 22:15

DorothyGaleFromKansas · 12/09/2025 22:13

I think everyone on the thread agrees with that stance - nobody has said otherwise, but that particular poster seems convinced otherwise. 🤷‍♀️

Yes I don’t think anyone has said he deserved to be shot actually. I think we were all debating some of the nuance.

Dearnurse · 12/09/2025 22:15

SparklingRivers · 12/09/2025 20:02

He killed the father of a 3 year old and 1 year old. They now have to grow up without a dad, knowing their dad was murdered.
His parents have lost their son, his wife has lost her husband.
How on earth can you think murder isn't "something terrible".

He said that if his daughter was r#ped at 10 & got pregnant she would have to carry the baby to term , those children are better off without him .

TheLivelyViper · 12/09/2025 22:16

Bigcat25 · 12/09/2025 15:46

He would have been caught anyway, there would have been hell to pay for the rest of the family, and possible retribution, if the parents helped hide him. See Gabby petitio. They have two other kids to think about.

Haven't read this full thread but wanted to say despite Gabby's parents clear involvement and helping him to cover it up, go on the run etc they never actually got charged with a crime. So the main consequences for them was in the court of public opinion and obviously the damage to their reputation etc. What they did isn't just not turning someone in but it's helping an abuser, from the start as well, so I feel very differently about it.

However what's interesting lately is more parents being charged (tbf only 2 cases) for their kids school shootings, is that okay? When do we decide they've conmited a crime. There'a only be too cases so far of Ethan and them there was a shooting last year in Georgia. That dad I think is very complicit and stupid for what he did, his son was joking about doing a school shooting, his friend reported him, school called police. They had a chat etc with both the son and dad and warned him, then months later in December the dad buys him a gun for a Christmas present (weird Christmas present for anyone let alone a 14 year old), then months later he does the shooting. I mean how can you buy tour son a gun when he's been talking about shootings for months, he also refused to get him the further therapy advised by the school, I think in cases like this parents are complicit. But we shouldn't always blame the offenders family, sometimes its not about them and it's unfair to blame them for the crime sometimes, I mean sometimes they have siblings who are successful and good people it's all the family.

I think using the firing squad is barbaric, apparently only 5 states still do, but Idaho has deiced from July 2026 it will be the prime method used, whereas currently they only do it when lethal injection isn't available. I'm not exactly sure how that gets passed as a decision as it's not even necessary.

spoonbillstretford · 12/09/2025 22:16

How would everyone feel if it had been the other way around, and your child had been shot in the throat in front of you and their young family.. Would you still hold the same opinion that the death penalty is "unethical"?

Um, yes. Basic stuff.

somethingischasingme · 12/09/2025 22:17

I think the FBI were going to find him and they would have probably ended up shooting him. If I knew that there was a slim chance I could save my child then maybe I would persuade him to hand himself in- a horrible choice between certain death soon or ‘not quite certain’ death later on

TaupeLemur · 12/09/2025 22:17

Anon662120622 · 12/09/2025 22:07

How would everyone feel if it had been the other way around, and your child had been shot in the throat in front of you and their young family.. Would you still hold the same opinion that the death penalty is "unethical"?

If your daughter had been raped and beaten to death at a young age, would you then deem the death penalty as being "unethical" OR would you want the perpetrator to be given the same fate?

As hard as it would be, I would definitely hand him over. If he's willing to assasinate someone in front of hundereds of people, Including his wife and children, just because they disagree with their beliefs, that certainly wouldn't be the one and only murder they commit.

I’d probably want hell fire to reign down in the perpetuator which is why we should never allow the death penalty. The law decides the punishment, not the victims. And we can’t be trusted, as humans, to decide who should or shouldn’t get the death penalty.
State sanctioned murder is still murder.
If this young man is given the death penalty for killing Kirk - what does that achieve? Nothing.

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