Turn your son in knowing it’s the death penalty?

[TaupeLemur]

Kirk’s killer has apparently been turned in by his family - or persuaded to hand himself in.
Trump &’his supporters have been very vocal about getting the death penalty for the shooter.

would YOU hand your child over, knowing that the electric chair would be the likely outcome?

YANBU - I wouldn’t turn him in to die.

YABU - I would he’s a killer and deserves all he gets

What!?

MN delete personal attacks like calling people “a fucking psycho”, I believe it was? Personally I’m happy for your insults to stand as it speaks to your character, but 🤷‍♀️

Are you trying to get me to retaliate so you can report me again??!!! Grow up

I’ve not reported you once - I find you deeply amusing.

Except that he didn't actually murder anyone, and his murderer did! 🤷‍♀️

I agree- that’s what I read too.
It really doesn’t help - tell us you hate him for what he said all you like. He has said some ridiculous things - but if people twist and misquote it just makes me suspicious of everything else they have said.

I can’t begin to imagine what the parents were going through, realising their son had done this and deciding to turn him in.
Their lives are never going to be the same again, son in death row, others kids to try to protect and living with the notoriety of their sons’s crime.

It seems he made a lot of comments which require a great deal of context in order to not sound horrifying. Most people don't say so many terrible things that can be so apparently easily twisted. How strange that in his own words he said so very many things that sounded misogynistic, racist, cruel and outrageous but only in isolation. I think perhaps he shouldn't have been an influencer if his words could be pulled into dangerous and offensive soundbites and in order to understand what he REALLY meant, people need to go and find out reams of background in order to see how him saying eg that women should submit to their husbands or that 'prowling blacks' pose a danger to white people are actually completely reasonable statements.

Most people don't say those things in the first place, you know. At some point, all the context in the world doesn't justify that kind of bigotry.

He would have been found anyway and quite likely it would have ended in a shoot out putting other people at risk.
Handing himself in is the best chance he has got of avoiding the death penalty.

Hence the irony.

I dont agree with the death penalty.

Id turn him in, in the UK becuase i do think murder deserves jail time. But id never turn in a relative for the death penalty

Whereas the Trump administration today announcing that anyone who has been 'rationalising or making light of Kirk's death' online won't be allowed in the country demonstrates how the right are such champions of free speech.

...oh wait. Not that kind of speech!

Oh so if you retaliate because she says things you don't like...that's her fault? I thought that your entire point is that we SHOULDN'T get angry at other people because we disagree with them?

I don't think you understand irony.

I think this says it all in terms of their hypocrisy

Well your own comment insulting my intelligence upthread was deleted even as I was reading it so I don’t think you’re one to be talking about other people’s characters.

No, I do.

I have to be honest, every time the topic of free speech comes up this is where I am completely torn and I haven’t yet been able to form a full opinion on it.

This has literally just come in to my head as I type… So, for example, if a cult leader brainwashed his cult following in to murdering people - then those words he spoke to them are at least as dangerous as the weapons used to kill people. Perhaps more so as those people would quite likely not have killed had they not heard those words.

Hmmmm - I think I am getting where you are coming from now. Fair play, you bested me on that one.

ETA: I am not mourning his death either, I didn’t know him so how could I. I just don’t agree he should have been shot for what he said (again - I know you haven’t said he should)

And I’m fine with MN taking the call to delete that if they choose to do so. I’m not losing my shit over it and throwing temper tantrums, because that’s how forums work.

Exactly this.

Mumsnet is full to the brim of women (justifiably in most cases) railing against the ills of men but some can’t see past the end of their own nose when it comes to their sons.

’Yes, I know he’s a cold blooded murderer/serial killer/rapist/pedo but he’s my wickle boy’.

Deeply concerning but very telling.

@MyLimeGuide you aren’t Charlie Kirk, you’re not surrounded by your bros cheering every insult and personal attack that comes out of your mouth on your own ‘channel’.
if you break the MN guidelines for posting then your post will be deleted…

That's very rare and intelligent of you to be open to changing your mind on the internet and I have full respect for that.

Evolving is more important to me than protecting my ego ✌️

But equally, thank you for debating with me respectfully

me too @WhereIsMyJumper - we debated this on another Charlie Kirk thread a day or two ago, where I tried to impress that words carry power and can be dangerous, and I also really respect the change of opinion. And also props to @InMyShowgirlEra for clearly elaborating better than I did!

The moment the pictures of this suspected killer were online across the world it was a matter of days for him to be caught. So I don’t think his family had a choice but to hand him in.
If my son had done this particular murder and escaped unseen? No, I wouldn’t report him.