Turn your son in knowing it’s the death penalty?

[TaupeLemur]

Kirk’s killer has apparently been turned in by his family - or persuaded to hand himself in.
Trump &’his supporters have been very vocal about getting the death penalty for the shooter.

would YOU hand your child over, knowing that the electric chair would be the likely outcome?

YANBU - I wouldn’t turn him in to die.

YABU - I would he’s a killer and deserves all he gets

This!!!

I voted the wrong way. Depending on who they killed. In this instance I wouldn’t say anything

On the contrary. I have a lot of empathy for his family. I don’t think little girls should be forced by their fathers to carry rape babies.

He’s not being misquoted - one of the benefits of being an ‘influencer’ meant he made sure everything was filmed and recorded, and the more outrageous the better because that meant more $$$$
He didn’t give a fuck. Freedom of speech right?
Claiming he was misquoted because you’re a fan who finds some of his nonsense too
much, too distasteful, too extreme is pointless. It’s reported and recorded. He didn’t care, why should you?
He believed white men should be in charge of EVERYTHING.
There’s an irony in the fact his murderer is almost certainly a better person.

Respect is earned. I save my respect for people who wouldn’t force their little girls to have rape babies.

Whose left, this is a British based forum are you referencing the Democrats when you speak of 'left'?

This is such an odd thing to say. Britain suspended the death penalty in 1965, banned 1969. Did everyone living in Britain pre 1969 live in a ‘barbaric county’

I wouldn't turn my child into the police for any reason. I don't believe in the death penalty for crimes such as this one, but if there was a paedophile who raped and murdered a child - and some of them are only toddlers or even babies - then I would, and do, believe in the death penalty for that sort of horrendous crime. If one of my children raped and murdered a child - they wouldn't, that just isn't something any of them could do - then I think that I would find a non violent way of killing my child myself. If my child was an only child, I would then kill myself.

That’s an interesting point, actually. I hadn’t considered the difference between fundamental values and changeable ones. When you put it like that, it makes it somewhat unlikely that he would have changed his views too much as he matured. Unlikely but not impossible. So I still think it was unjust that the chance was even taken away from him in the first place.
Even so, someone with a bad character does not deserve to be shot (I appreciate you didn’t say this - I was just reiterating my stance on it)

You may feel morally responsible but you wouldn’t be legally responsible. I can see your point to a degree but it doesn’t change the fact that I don’t think words are as dangerous as bullets. Words can be dangerous and there are laws around inciting hatred and violence (though I won’t pretend to know the ins and outs of those laws) but they still aren’t as dangerous as bullets.

Wow.

Left in general. Far to mid left.

I agree, maybe it's the cultural differences between the U.S. and UK but I was Christened in an Anglican church, went to Sunday school there and it was very much the teachings of Jesus and him feeding the poor etc. I mean it was a long time ago but definitely not eye for an eye more like the church going in Four Weddings and A Funeral. The revenge stuff totally goes over my head.

So you think we are the same country? I don't know anybody who thinks they're a Terrorist voting for Starmer last year - seems bizarre to me.

He has literally been misquoted on this post. I also keep seeing important context missed off some of the things he has said.

I have never said anywhere I am a fan. That’s because I am not. I have even said some of the stuff he has come out with is ridiculous. Because it is. I just don’t like people twisting the truth to further their own arguments or people somehow making out that people deserve to die simply for speaking.

@MyLimeGuide

I mean, YOU car about my respect, seeing as you literally just told me I had to show some.

Forcing children to have rape babies is immoral. You seem to be confusing me with Charlie Kirk again.

It’s not quite the same, there’s very little evidence that an unborn foetus would be found competent to stand trial.

Just a couple of months ago in Minnesota, Melissa Hortman was shot along with her husband and dog in a politically motivated assassination. Another Democrat was attacked along with his wife. The perpetrator was right wing and his victims were advocates for liberal/left causes.

You will also, I'm sure, be aware of the fact that the majority of political violence is carried out by right wing perpetrators - Hortman is merely the most recent.

There is nothing about her death that makes it less egregious, less concerning or less tragic than Kirk's. She was attacked in her own home along with her family who died with her. So why would you ignore that and insist that the danger comes from the left?

Or you could go and look at the coverage of Heather Heyer's murder. Another left wing victim of right wing violence. You'll find plenty of right wingers revelling in, mocking and celebrating this young woman's death.

I don't agree with political violence. But I find it abhorrent that you deliberately seek to downplay the shocking and brutal violence committed by the right and attempt to stir up further division with your comments on the left. I think you need to acknowledge the problem of radicalisation and violence is widespread and that the majority of it occurs on the right. And that stoking up more division isn't the path to a solution.

But whether I'm legally responsible or not doesn't alter whether or not I caused it.

If your words inspire 10 people to kill someone else, then you've caused more death than if you'd taken a gun and shot 9 and your words are more dangerous than 9 of your bullets.

The reason there's not a legal responsibility is because it's impossible to put the cause down to JUST that and you'd have to analyse what else happened to those 10 killers to make them so susceptible to doing this. It would be almost impossible to prove (although to directly tell someone to kill someone else IS a crime and can be prosecuted if they follow through on it.)

However, it doesn't alter the fact that 10 people are now dead who would not be dead if you hadn't said those things.

Charlie Kirk and others of his ilk have caused untold misery by radicalising young men into toxic masculinity. In fact, I've not met anyone who HASN'T been affected by it in some way. I don't think his death will actually improve anything, because there are plenty of others who will pop up in his place, but I will not grieve a moment for the death of someone so awful.

Presumably he knew there was the possibility of the death penalty when he did this, so he must have been at peace with that, because otherwise he wouldn’t have committed the murder if he wasn’t prepared to face the consequences. I mean, surely he knew the likely outcome was that he was either going to be caught, or a shoot out with the police. I wouldn’t have given my child up though. I honestly think my heart wouldn’t let me. It must be heartbreaking to have to do that.

And now ive just seen someone is getting my posts deleted my MNHQ!! good one!! Another example of the left not agreeing with conflicting ideas and just pressing delete!

You think MNHQ is LEFT leaning? 😂

What you said was that he held the view that women should not be allowed to vote. What he said in that article was not that. I’m not denying that he said some odious things, but misquoting doesn’t help. There are some things that have been taken entirely out of the context of the conversation in which they were said, completely changing their meaning.

@MyLimeGuide Why are you being so hateful?