Turn your son in knowing it’s the death penalty?

[TaupeLemur]

Kirk’s killer has apparently been turned in by his family - or persuaded to hand himself in.
Trump &’his supporters have been very vocal about getting the death penalty for the shooter.

would YOU hand your child over, knowing that the electric chair would be the likely outcome?

YANBU - I wouldn’t turn him in to die.

YABU - I would he’s a killer and deserves all he gets

I am not sorry for saying his daughters will be better off in the long run. Their father didn’t believe they should be allowed to vote, or have an education unless it was with the express purpose of finding a husband. He believed they should have to carry rape babies even as children themselves. He believed they should submit to their husbands in all things - so domestic violence, marital rape - they should just suck it up. They are better off.

So you wouldn't for a very deliberate and calculated murder - as people have said, an assassination?

"If it was something else - ie child abuse - then absolutely yes."

I would be very interested to understand your reasoning here (very serious question indeed).

So, if your son were to abuse a child then you would report him, but if he murdered that child then you would not?

How about if he abused the child and then murdered her? Would you hand him in then?

They would have grown up knowing that he had said that if he hadn’t been shot. Do you think one day those children will look back and be glad their dad was shot and it was recorded for all to see and loads of people celebrated it afterwards? Just for saying words about a hypothetical situation that will probably never arise? No matter how abhorrent his view is on abortion, I would imagine that his kids will never be thankful that he was shot for them.

58 shootings by right wing terrorists. 1 (or 2) shootings by left wing terrorists, in recent years.

It appears he wasn't a Left wing libtard after all. Much pivoting going on amongst a certain cohort now. The shock of it all really to think the deceased wasn't far right enough so had to be eliminated. Jostle for position imminent.

What some people may argue is that what Kirk was inciting had the potential to create more harm and violence than what has been done against him.

I’m assuming that’s the usual reasoning behind such ‘assassinations’.

I would argue that words are far more dangerous. CK has a huge influence over a lot of people. He used his platform to set back restrictions on gun ownership, women's rights, rights for people of colour and gay people, among others. He spread false claims including that the election was "stolen" and contributed to causing the riots after Biden's election. He has caused far more damage than someone who shot one person- especially when you factor in the rise in violent criminals coming out of MAGA and the things they've done.

He said that gun deaths were "unfortunate" but a fair price to pay. He literally said that gun victims were a fair trade off. He said that shooting victims and their families must not be allowed to "emotionally hijack the narrative". He also said that empathy was a bad thing, so if (for some strange reason) you have any respect for him, it would be against his wishes to express empathy for him or his family.

Unless of course you're admitting he was a massive hypocrite who was fine with OTHER people dying, and OTHER people not getting empathy, but not for himself.

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I think anyone who handed their child in knowing they would face the death penalty or life in prison is not acting to protect their child and it's not something I can understand 🤷‍♀️ Also don't think his dad believed he was a risk to the general public. He clearly intended to kill one particular person

Please point to where I’ve said I wanted him dead. Do go ahead, I’ll wait. I do not advocate the murder no anyone, no matter how disgusting a person they are. Should he have been murdered? Absolutely not. Is it sad he’s dead? No it is not - he was a hateful person. Are his daughters more likely to be free of hate now he is gone? Yes they are.

Kirk was killed in Utah, Utah has never used the electric chair or had one, traditionally they use firing squad but lethal injection is the default option now, but inmates can choose firing squad.

So basically what you’re saying is that Kirk deserved what he got, and his family, who witnessed the horrific event, are collateral damage in that ? His children may not remember it, but his wife certainly will. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Yes, absolutely I would turn them in.

Which thread are you reading? 🤣🤣

I think you are slightly delusional. Speaking ill of the dead (someone that got murdered) JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE OPPOSING BLOODY POLITICAL VIEWS FFS is pretty shocking in itself. Celebrating their death, an utter disgrace!

I don’t imagine they will be thankful he was shot, no. But I do imagine they will now have a chance at a more tolerant and loving upbringing.

I don’t recall anywhere hearing that Kirk thought women shouldn’t vote or be educated or any of the rest of it.

But even if it is true consider this… do you hold the same political views now that you did ten years ago? I know I don’t. I’ve evolved and changed as I have matured (and hope to keep doing so until the day I die) some things I would have said ten years ago would make me shudder now. Kirk’s views were not set in stone, nobody’s are. The problem is, any chance he may have had to evolve and grow and change has been taken away from him. And you are actually happy about it.

Thinking that women are human beings equal to men is not a political opinion, it's just very, very basic morality. There aren't a lot of things which can be very easily be separated into good and bad and right and wrong but that's one of them, and if you treat women like chattels then you're a bad person.

Did I miss the part where people magically stop being a terrible person just because they’ve died?

Charlie Kirk was an absolutely heinous excuse of a human being. Did he deserve to be murdered for it? No of course not, and nowhere have I said he did. But it is also not sad that a person who spent their life promoting hate and bigotry is dead.

There Was a thread immediately after it happened, majority of the comments were like this.

Scary how they walk among us.

They haven’t executed anyone since 1977. Aggravated murder is the only charge that attracts the death penalty, but prosecutors have to specifically request it, and they usually don't, preferring to opt for life without parole or a minimum sentence of 25 years.

Plenty of people have extremist religious or moral opinions on certain topics. I absolutely don't agree with his view there, but it doesn't mean he deserves to die or that his children are better off with him dead.

This one. Its rife with hatred.

will the death penalty bring their father back? Or will it simply end up leaving other people fatherless/without their child etc.?

Yeh, my political views have slightly changed over the years, like I've changed my opinion slightly on education and the economy. I've not changed my mind on whether human beings are equal to one another.