Turn your son in knowing it’s the death penalty?

[TaupeLemur]

Kirk’s killer has apparently been turned in by his family - or persuaded to hand himself in.
Trump &’his supporters have been very vocal about getting the death penalty for the shooter.

would YOU hand your child over, knowing that the electric chair would be the likely outcome?

YANBU - I wouldn’t turn him in to die.

YABU - I would he’s a killer and deserves all he gets

Kirk said some words. Firstly, they are words that you are paraphrasing and they are words that are taken out of an entire response he gave to someone who asked him a question about protecting the second amendment.
Secondly, nobody deserves to be shot for saying words. Even if you REALLY disagree with them (I don’t agree with guns myself)
Lastly, murdering someone is much worse than saying some words.

I agree with death penalty.

As for my theoretical son.. Depends who he killed. If it's something like that evil animal who stabbed the Ukrainian girl on the train the other day - I'd turn him in in a heartbeat. Same for serial killers, family annihilators and suchlike. He would deserve everything they'd throw at him, including the death penalty.

If he'd kill someone like Putin, Trump, Vance - no chance. I'd give him money and help him to run. Kirk? The dude said: 'I think it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational.' So it is rational and his death was worth it, to protect the god-given rights to own guns, according to him. So no, obviously I wouldn't turn my child in for killing Kirk. Live by the sword and all that.

Such a terrible dilemma but I would because there’s no escaping arrest and facing the consequences. Regardless of what anyone thinks about the death penalty if that’s the law it’s out of your hands.

It’s ok as long as it’s not him. Turns out guns kill white guys too 🤷🏼‍♀️

Words can be dangerous, I doubt his family will find much comfort in his.

And when has that ever, ever, happened in Utah?

Serious question, btw.

Also, who exactly are "that lot"?

Handed in peacefully or a shootout. His family did the right thing

So because you’re against the death penalty you would shield someone who clearly isn’t, because they’ve appointed themselves judge, jury and executioner. Do you not think that’s a tad hypocritical ?

Life appears to be quite cheap in America. Unless you are a foetus that is. Then when the foetus is forcibly born in situations where abortion is banned, the living baby could be murdered, (or live a life of poverty and neglect) and the perpetrator executed. No bother at all squaring all that up is there?

I know. The disgusting things from this thread is unreal!

The number of replies on the first page saying they would cover up a murder because they disagree with the death penalty is one reason why I am against the death penalty for paedophiles and rapists.

Kirk? The dude said: 'I think it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational.' So it is rational and his death was worth it, to protect the god-given rights to own guns, according to him. So no, obviously I wouldn't turn my child in for killing Kirk. Live by the sword and all that

Yes. Kirk was sanguine about some gun deaths. His death was a gun death

It's all good, by Kirks rationale

I’d Never turn my child in for death penalty.
Prisin yes as have to pay for crimes but I dint agree with the death penalty anyway.

I wouldn't hand them in at all, which is why it's inexplicable to me. I can only guess he wanted the reward

I mean presumably he put his dad in that position in the first place by confessing to him? I'm not a parent so can't really answer but all I'd be thinking is that things would be even worse for everyone if I didn't tell the police what I knew. It's not like the authorities weren't ever going to find out at some point.

Engaging with the pro lifers I know, making sure that the pregnancy goes to term and the baby is born is their priority. They couldnt give a flying fuck what happens to the child, or the mother after that.

So... the conclusion from this thread so far. That terrorism is coming from the left (dangerously)

Words are not as dangerous as bullets.
He went on to say after that quote how he thought they should reduce gun related murders/violence. So he clearly wasn’t in favour of innocent people dying by being shot. His theory was, if more people had guns - if people were guarding schools with guns for example then that would reduce gun related deaths but they would never be able to get them to zero.

Absolutely irrational point of view in my opinion, i don’t agree with it at all. But he didn’t say that he was in favour of people being shot.
So no, I don’t think he would say it’s ok for him to be collateral damage either.

We really need to differentiate between words and actions.

That wasn’t the question.

Oh please, do stop trying to defend this piece of ....

It’s a lot better than proudly announcing you’d force your raped child to give birth to their rapist’s baby.

In fact, I’m actively wishing a more promising future for them than their own father did.

It’s a lot better than proudly announcing you’d force your raped child to give birth to their rapist’s baby.

In fact, I’m actively wishing a more promising future for them than their own father did.

I think that’s a truly dreadful thing to say. Why is it so difficult to believe that he would want his son taken off the streets so that he can’t hurt anyone else ? His son acted as judge, jury and executioner to someone whose viewpoints he doesn’t agree with, in the full knowledge that there’s the chance he would pay with his own life. His father is likely going through the worst pain of his life - both for what his son has done, and for having done what is undoubtedly the right thing, and handing him in for his own protection and that of other innocent people. If you have so little empathy that you can’t imagine that pain, and prefer to think he’s monetarised it, then I’m truly sorry for you.

I mean, they are 1 and 3, so likely won’t have any firsthand memory of it at all.

They will grow up knowing their father would force them to give birth to a rapist’s baby. Is that somehow better?

Do you ALSO want Muslims, Jews dead? Anyone who doesn't agree with you?

I don't think I could turn him in for the death penalty, though I'd do it for life imprisonment. If I thought he was a risk to more people in the future though, maybe I'd turn him in despite the death penalty. I don't know.