Turn your son in knowing it’s the death penalty?

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Kirk’s killer has apparently been turned in by his family - or persuaded to hand himself in.
Trump &’his supporters have been very vocal about getting the death penalty for the shooter.

would YOU hand your child over, knowing that the electric chair would be the likely outcome?

YANBU - I wouldn’t turn him in to die.

YABU - I would he’s a killer and deserves all he gets

Well that's why I don't think they are left wing as my cultural references are left wing in UK growing up and the 'left' in a Nordic country where some of my extended family are from. Democrats don't have those socialist roots.

Indeed.

The problem is that the right wing have the advantage in that they’re better placed to control the narrative in a country that already leans to the right. ‘The left’ don’t have the luxury of acting like the right wingers that celebrated the Minnesota attacks when the narrative is that the left consists entirely of young, blue-haired radicals that want to kill everyone that disagrees with them. The optics are terrible.

It also doesn’t help that the Democratic Party is a mess at the moment. There’s no coherent vision for the future of the country, or message that appeals to the moderates that are needed to win elections. Instead you’ve got public infighting, purity spirals and doubling down on unpopular policies re immigration and trans rights. There may be infighting on the right, but they know how to strategize, and to unite when it matters.

I assume they did it because the alternative might have been a standoff where he and maybe other family members would be shot when they came to arrest him. He has actually just given someone else the death penalty presumably because he didn’t like his views. At least he will have a chance with the legal system.

Could you point to where Charlie Kirk said ALL black Americans were in some way dangerous or something please

I literally said that I didn't agree with what him being shot🙄 i don't believe that people should have guns at all let alone kill someone but if it was my child I would not hand them over .. I would also kill or die for anyone of my children.

If you think the perpetrator's death is a form of justice and actively call for it or even welcome it you are every bit as bad as him.

You also condone murder but you just want someone else to do it for you.

It means you are made of exactly the same moral fibre as him.

Read and listen to his activity in the days before he lost his life to white on white violence.

Could you please give a quote?

But what about the next person they kill? What if the next person they kill is your other child or your husband. There’s been mass shooters in the past whose ultimate goal is to themselves and their families. At what point would you turn them in?

He was never going to get away with it. Turning himself in and pleading guilty may get him life imprisonment instead of death penalty. Going on the run would make it worse.
I do not agree with the death penalty at all. Thou shall not kill.

I wouldn't get too complacent. The pages of history are filled with the stories of decent parents who raised monsters unawares.

And it's not unheard of for the killer's family members to be the first victims.

It would be the hardest decision I have ever made but yes, I would turn my son in.

On what planet did that man think it was ok to kill CK? He apparently said he thought CK was ‘spreading hate’ but managed to convince himself that shooting him isn’t hateful?
If he disagreed with CK’s opinions so much, why didn’t he just go and debate him? That’s literally why he was there. You fight words with words (or silence if you prefer) never with violence.

And yet a lot of Americans are scared to come to the UK because of stabbings in London!

I don't agree with the death penalty in principle, for anything, ever.

But I'm not convinced that a life sentence in a maximum security prison in the US is always the more merciful, just option.

Don’t ask for a quote because half of it (the actual context) will be conveniently missed off. I have seen that happen a lot. Including the quote about empathy.

As if life in prison is better and preferable to death?! It’s not.

No way

I don't agree with the death penalty however I grew up in the UK so a totally different cultural mindset from the US and it is different. You can't judge what you would do if you were brought up in that climate of guns and death penalty and it is the combination, we can disagree with it all we like but we have totally different frames of reference. In the Americans I know they are mostly a lot more violent, not all out killing like this but just accept more violence than we would, children being physically chastised for example, it's a level of brutality that will never sit right with me. Like I say it's not all but it's definitely in the majority of the ones I know.

You can't know how you would react if you know that serious men with guns were out looking for your son and you know that they wouldn't hesitate to shoot.

Is this a death penalty eligible offence in Utah?
I suspect not eligible, actually.
At least not supposed to be, but presumably the feds will try to take over and DoJ Will be instructed by Trump to find a way to make this specific murder a federal crime.

Under Utah law, I suspect ultimately penalty would be Life imprisonment for a single victim murder without specified aggravating circumstances, which circumstances are pre-specified in law, and might mean possibility of parole at parole board discretion (so would be never for TR).

apols if the eligibility was discussed, long thread.

Dont worry about my daughter in law. If she existed she'd be a massive pedophile anyway given the age of my DC.

I agree with this.

I think I might end my life if I've raised a killer. I know it doesn't help, but this way I will not have to worry about it.

The UK (and many other countries) do not extrasite if people face the death penalty. Do all those who think the DP is OK disagree with that? Because the UK government aren't even or parents....

Where did he say he though CK was “spreading hate”.

I don’t think I can answer the question because the situation is so far removed from anything I can imagine- largely because we don’t have the death penalty here. I can’t really know what it’s like to live in a country where the death penalty exists, or where people get shot all the time.

So I don’t feel I can answer the question because I just don’t know.

I think (and hope) I would turn my child in if they committed a murder here in the UK- but I can’t honesty say what I’d do if it happened.