Turn your son in knowing it’s the death penalty?

[TaupeLemur]

Kirk’s killer has apparently been turned in by his family - or persuaded to hand himself in.
Trump &’his supporters have been very vocal about getting the death penalty for the shooter.

would YOU hand your child over, knowing that the electric chair would be the likely outcome?

YANBU - I wouldn’t turn him in to die.

YABU - I would he’s a killer and deserves all he gets

Absolutely.

And it did happen, back in June, when Democrat Melissa Hortman and others were assassinated.

Some Republicans initially blamed the left and said they were all violent, and then it transpired that the shooter was a Trump supporter - so then they tried to say he was actually innocent and just a plant.

This is the problem with Trump's politics and the US right now. And to a lesser extent over here too. It's hate politics.

The whole rhetoric is about who you hate, othering, and making sure your side "wins" - regardless of what the truth might be.

It's happening right across the whole spectrum, but Trump is the one who really ramped all of this up. His utter contempt for the truth and law is contagious.

There have been plenty of decent and principled Republicans and Tories over the years. I might not have agreed with them politically, but they were doing what they thought was the right thing. Nothing like it is now. Bullying, harassment, and abuse is the name of the game now, with no regard for transparency or truth.

And I think that creates this situation where shooters on both sides get riled up and start killing people. It's absolutely appalling. No one deserves to die, no matter what their views are.

The trouble is, we need grownups in charge who can attempt to take the heat out of the situation, and try and create a bit of unity. Trump ripped into the left in his speech about Charlie Kirk - this is the last thing that's needed right now. People need to be calmed, not whipped up further.

Everything is so very binary and tribal and I don't know how this gets fixed before it all explodes.

Parents of Michigan school shooter sentenced to 10-15 years in prison
soooooo

parent would be put up on charges/utah is strange place

Actually nobody blamed Ms Hortman for her death nor said the world was better off without her. They were blaming Walz for hiring the killer, etc.

Not exactly the same

Oh I voted the wrong way, I wouldn’t turn my son in!

Very easily as it happens.

I believe in right and wrong and I believe some people are bad people. Not everything is up for debate, some things are wrong.

Why is it ALWAYS the parents (mothers) fault? Some people are just born that way. Like psychopaths.

I would persuade my child to do the right thing and hand himself in despite the death penalty being a possible outcome. I would work very hard with groups that work to have death sentences commuted to life, to have my son's sentence commuted to life. I have an idea that Charlie's wife would agree with a life sentence rather than the death penalty.

Of course I would turn him in. He knew the possible punishment he would receive for committing such a heinous crime, and still did it anyway! What kind of parent would let him get away with it and maybe shoot other innocent people?!

Some people just fall far from the tree. Very interesting book with this title, actually

I think they are just using, you know, science, bc a fetus is not a child. You are the one with the knee jerk reaction here, sorry to say.

Heh - this comment ended up right under the one I wrote with “I wish people here would take two seconds to Google before they go around spreading misinformation.”

le.utah.gov/xcode/Title76/Chapter5/76-5-S202.html

As I said, they blamed the left - there was a whole campaign blaming the left which turned into more general rants about how violent the left were (which we've seen again now following Charlie Kirk's death). Of course, Melissa Hortman's killer turned out to be a Trump supporter and the same people weren't as keen to throw the book at him then.

Not sure where I suggested Melissa Hortman was blamed? Sorry if that's how it reads, but that's not what I was saying.

Either way though, the point I was making remains. Politics is absolutely vile right now, with no semblance of unity. And I don't know how this gets remedied because there's no appetite at all for that right now.

What’s baffling is that his family turned him in instead of being caught. There are security cameras everywhere nowadays. Didn’t they record the event? Were there cameras there at all recording?
If his family hadn’t turned him in…would he have been caught? 🤔

I would struggle to turn anyone in to face the death penalty. Or a corrupt legal system. Although I would absolutely want to prevent any more deaths.

I would turn my child in in this country, for any significant offence. The system is far from perfect, but on the whole the rule of law works and they would get a fair trial - so should face the consequences of their choices.

Shutting down debate with murder is never the answer.

That’s what’s made people so mad and some so happy crazy really.

People are happy someone was murdered because of the beliefs he debates. Others are angry because someone was murdered for debating their beliefs.

Everyone should be free from murder for merely debating beliefs.

and just like the ops questions is a hypothetical so was his answer about if his daughter ended up pregnant at 10. Until you’re in that situation though you don’t know what you’ll actually do. Likely he would have a fit of rage want to murder the bastard and so whatever he could to help his child like most parents. But hypothetically when he knows the chance of him having to make that choice is very low he can give any answer he wanted.

Of course you should turn your son in if he has taken someone else's life. He is an adult and should face the consequences of his actions. I am against the death penalty but that does not mean a murderer should be running free, possibly to kill again. I would hand him in and support a campaign against the death penalty.

Possibly, why do you ask?

Very well said👏

Ah! So it appears that your AIBU was not done in good faith and was just a way of fitting in a rant against Charlie Kirk and to repeat lies and out of context sound bites to justify your de-humanising of a daddy, husband and friend who witness him being violently murdered in front of them.

In his words "When you stop having a human connection with someone you disagree with, it becomes a lot easier to want to commit violence against that group person"

Innocent until proven guilty: I am not sure if this applies in US law. IF this young man is guilty, then he must face the consequences of his actions. I hope that will not be execution.

To be honest I wouldn't be surprised on a serious attempt on Trumps life again.

The father did the right thing. He’s a Sheriff’s Deputy. The kid was going to be caught; he left his dna on the roof. Better the guilty die than the whole family be charged with harboring a fugitive. I’m a Christian and oppose the death penalty on principle because I’m not comfortable with the government having the right to take human life (“Vengeance is mine, sayeth the Lord; I will repay.”) but his father did the right thing under horrendously difficult circumstances which, as a Christian, which the parents are, is also a requirement. You must do the right thing no matter how difficult and painful it is, and getting someone who is capable of cold-blooded, pre-meditated murder off the street is the right thing to do.

It seems he was recognisable from the images the FBI released so he was always going to be caught unless he killed himself first. If not turned in then he would likely have died in a shoot out which could have killed any number of others (police or public). I suppose this way it limits the risk of further murders, there is a chance of clemency from the death penalty and the family don’t end up in jail with him for assisting him. The right decision but I am not sure I could have made it.

Honestly id have turned him in if it was a sexually motivated murder or sex crime regardless of penalty

For this situation id buy him a plane ticket somewhere with no extradition treaty

The Crumbleys were convicted because they willfully ignored all the signs their son was very unwell and planning something horrendous. They purchased the gun and ammunition for their 15yr old son and it was unsecured at home. If they had acted on just one of the things they knew they could have prevented innocent kids dying at school that day.