Turn your son in knowing it’s the death penalty?

[TaupeLemur]

Kirk’s killer has apparently been turned in by his family - or persuaded to hand himself in.
Trump &’his supporters have been very vocal about getting the death penalty for the shooter.

would YOU hand your child over, knowing that the electric chair would be the likely outcome?

YANBU - I wouldn’t turn him in to die.

YABU - I would he’s a killer and deserves all he gets

People cheering this are scoring an own goal. Applauding assassinations like this doesn’t win people to your side, it creates sympathy for his views, turns moderates away from you and inspires hardliners to become even more radical. Killing Charlie Kirk silenced one man, but it was one of the best advertisements for his beliefs. Killing Charlie Kirk made him a martyr.

Celebrating this legitimizes it as a course of action that can just as easily, and will likely be, used against those that share your own beliefs.

Studies indicate that the psychological toll on prison guards managing prisoners on death row (across various countries), including involvement in the execution process, is more devastating that the apparent danger posed by death row inmates. There's many articles, studies, testimony on this. Here's a random one - https://cdn.penalreform.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/PRI-Prison-guards-briefing-paper.pdf

Who cares. One you have killed its game over. (Unless you are an assassin or spy)

I've heard some misuse of the term "boundary" but that is by far the best😂. If you would even consider forcing your 10 yo through childbirth, you do not love her and you shouldn't have children.

No matter how anti-death penalty you might be, harboring the most wanted fugitive in America will get you charged as an accessory and for obstruction of justice.

My job as a parent would be to help my adult child navigate the legal system and get a fair trial. Going to prison with him serves no purpose.

That's a really interesting comment.

I think that for many, the fact that Charlie Kirk had pretty unpleasant views isn't necessarily the issue, so even if it was a lovely person that was murdered, I'm not sure it would make much difference. Sure, you might feel absolutely terrible and it would weigh heavily on your conscience, but turning your child in, knowing they face the death penalty would be worse.

I think killing a child might make a difference though for many. I think fewer people would be willing to stay silent.

Maybe the other thing is that not everyone has the same relationship with their adult children. We see plenty of posts on here where people seem to have quite chilly or distant relationships with their adult children - and we don't know whether that's colouring some of the replies. If you're not that close to your child, it might feel easier to turn them in. Not easy, but easier.

The other thing that occurs to me is that we're all imagining our children as we know and love them; presumably we all think our children are lovely people. I know I do. Maybe if your child was violent, abusive, and aggressive, and you'd watched them abuse a partner in the ways that you describe, people wouldn't be feeling the same way.

And yes, you're right. The death penalty is barbaric and frequently inflicts enormous suffering. I would struggle to agree with that for anyone, it's inhumane. Absolutely zero chance I'd send my child to face it.

I agree with this. They’ve done the right thing.
Hard as it is… Absolutely heartbreaking really.

And also, he didn't care about other shooting victims. He said their deaths were worth it for the right to bear arms.

I personally would rather the death penalty rather than being in prison for life if it were myself, but obviously others don't feel the same as so many fight the executions.

But I believe the average time to execution is over 30 years in Utah, probably more straightforward and faster if you have pleaded guilty, but the dad probably wouldn't have turned him in if he was going to be executed in the very near future, but if it's going to decades that would feel different.

By not turning him in there's more of a chance that he will die within the next day or 2, suicide or shot by the police when they close in. He had no chance of getting away with it, so the dad might feel like he's protecting him as much as he can by turning him in.

Nitpick - lethal injection, not the electric chair.

Yes, I would, and then prepare to beg for his life during the penalty phase. From this day forward, he probably has at least twenty years of life left even if he’s sentenced to death, because these cases take a few years to go to trial and the average death row inmate spends around twenty years there.

I couldn’t live with myself knowing I was enabling a killer to go free while Charlie Kirk’s tiny children cried because they missed Daddy and couldn’t understand why he wasn’t coming back.

How hideously barbaric.

I disagree with the death penalty so would never turn somebody in to receive it.

Came here to say the same. Just ridiculous.

“If you would consider terminating a child you don’t love your children and shouldn’t have them.”

Please note, that is not my belief. I’m pointing out that the sword cuts both ways.

Sorry if this has been mentioned already.

There was a €100,000 reward for info that leads to his capture.

Will his Dad get this money?

WTF

most conservative Christians believe abortion takes a life. It’s not my belief, but it’s theirs and it’s a legitimate view.

He is not evil to see humanity in a baby. He is naive to think such a baby could be safely delivered and you could probably have a serious debate with him and possibly change his mind.

But no, you prefer him silenced. Forever.

@SnipSnipMrBurgess

have you been smoking crack?

the father made a right desition to turn his son or else they will be all in prison by protecting the killer

No-one has ever aborted a child so that's irrelevant.

One of the best predictors for becoming a terrorist is having a record of domestic violence. I know nothing about this case but if it did turn out that that the accused had a record of violence against his family I wouldn't be that surprised.

Utah has lethal injection for the death penalty unless a prisoner requests a firing squad. I wish people here would take two seconds to Google before they go around spreading misinformation like “there are no other methods for the death penalty in Utah except a firing squad.” I’m not a death penalty supporter, but spreading misinformation is a waste of everyone’s time.

He won’t get death penalty as you need to kill multiple people for that I believe

Someone would have to be pretty stupid to be wowed by this snake oil salesman. He was annihilated in every debate I've seen, he just screams and looks like an idiot. A quick peruse of reddit and x will confirm that nobody is sharing the video bc they are sad about what happened to this man, quite the opposite in fact.

Ok. You aren’t interested in thinking. You are happy with your tribal, knee jerk beliefs that dehumanise people you disagree with.