Turn your son in knowing it’s the death penalty?

[TaupeLemur]

Kirk’s killer has apparently been turned in by his family - or persuaded to hand himself in.
Trump &’his supporters have been very vocal about getting the death penalty for the shooter.

would YOU hand your child over, knowing that the electric chair would be the likely outcome?

YANBU - I wouldn’t turn him in to die.

YABU - I would he’s a killer and deserves all he gets

In many of the videos he’s just yelling a people, not debating, and many of those people aren’t much older than kids. he’s being racist, being homophobic, islamophobic, anti semitic, championing gun ownership and excusing gun murders, being a misogynist, blathering on about women submitting to men and how they should get married before they’re 25 and have loads of babies, about how rape victims should be having the rapists babies even if those victims are children… he’s patronising, smug.
And doing it all in that shouty, arrogant, I-know- best- because I am a white CHRISTIAN man.

Your assumption is that people viewing his videos, especially for the first time, are going to be wowed by him… that’s really not the case.
It’s one thing to ‘debate’ with 18/19/20
year olds on campus - quite another when it’s grown adults watching your click bait and recognising it for what it is - click bait. Monetised click bait.

I would either encourage him to hand himself in or do it myself under the UK justice system, but no way in a country/ state that has the death penalty. I am fundamentally opposed to the death penalty anyway, for anyone. I can't imagine a situation in which I would turn someone I loved unconditionally over to almost certain death.

Sure, no one disputes if, but we don’t kill people as we dont like their opinions.

There are also two younger siblings the dad needs to consider , he can’t risk a swat team descending on the house all guns blazing.

Do you have an example? I haven’t seen any like that.

Do you have an example? I haven’t seen any like that.

Nope, I don't agree with murder or the death penalty. But I'm still glad he's dead. Not because I disagree with him, but because he was fundamentally a bad and evil person. I can be glad someone is dead without approving of why it happened. If you agree with the death penalty, he was as deserving of death as any other bad person.

Thank you @SnipSnipMrBurgess you couldn’t have illustrated my point better if you’d tried.

And now I wish you, and this thread, good day.

Juries were satisified beyond reasonable doubt in many UK cases where the death penalty would probably have been considered had we had it at the time.

The Guildford Four, the Birmingham 6 and the Maguire 7 were all convicted of terrorist offences at a time when a lot of people felt that capital punishment should be brought back for terrorism.

All of them had their convictions overturned years later.

@Hoppinggreen

im hoping so 🤞Im hoping you would see sense rather than letting a dangerous man potentially hurt someone else. How could you live with yourself?

Someone who wanted to debate the left vs man who slashes people’s throats on a train.

Hmmmm …. Which of these people deserve the death penalty? It’s soooooo hard to know.

Would you honestly feel the same if your child had been killed in premeditated cold blood? Maybe you would, I don’t know you?

@InMyShowgirlEra

he never actually laid a finger on anyone though (not that we know of or course).

Equally, you don't know how in reality you would actually behave.

She’s just listing lazy stereotypes of white Christians. Whom she apparently hates and doesn’t care if they violently die.

Scary tbh

Im utterly shocked at some of these posts, so people actually think if they dont agree with their political views they DESERVE to get assassinated? WTF I knew this world was turning bad but seriously that's evil.

No, I've already said that but I dont think that's how justice should work.

Finding out your child was a killer would be quite the shock. I've no idea how I'd react.

I may be wrong, but didn't the report say 'family member' so it may not have been a parent.

The state has a duty to protect innocent civilian life. It could mean death penalty for certain individuals, absolutely (like that guy who slashed that poor girl’s throat on the Charlotte train)

I just think the whole situation is the stuff of nightmares. I honestly don't know what I'd do if my child had murdered someone in front of their own family, but turning them in may well lead to them being killed by the state. It's just horrific to even consider it, and I can't imagine what families go through when their child commits a crime like yesterday's shooting.

You think he’s a crap dad, because of that one boundary? All the years of love, care, attention count for nothing because of something he said he would do in an extremely unusual and unlikely scenario?

Given that he was extremely unlikely to ever have to make that choice, his belief that he would do that was unlikely to impact his DD.
Who now has no dad at all.

Honestly, I’m disgusted you think it’s ok to be pleased he’s dead because you don’t like with his beliefs.
It could be said you are a vile abortionist who would think nothing of murdering a defenceless unborn child because it was inconvenient. It could be said you would be no great loss as a mum, with those beliefs. Would it be ok for someone to be glad you’re dead in that scenario?

If you don’t fancy that, then think a bit deeper.

I agree with the death penalty so I hope I would.

Basic human rights for humans is not a debate. Someone who would force a 10 yo rape victim to give birth is absolute trash. No wiggle room on that, bad and evil to the core.

Basic human rights for humans is not a debate. Someone who would force a 10 yo rape victim to give birth is absolute trash. No wiggle room on that, bad and evil to the core.