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Am I being unreasonable placing time limits on upcoming night out?

344 replies

Givemeguidance · 12/09/2025 06:50

Husband and I have been very settled for several years as in a cosy home life. Suddenly since having our second child (2 under 2) he's had a resurgence of going out at night. He goes to play darts each week which must finish before pub kick out but he's been coming in several times very late in the early hours. We have a good sex life and I don't think infidelity - more that he gets carried away with the drink. But I am left feeling rubbish and I have expressed how this can't happen again. Now we have this weekend a family party I'll bring the children too but he's already made plans to go out with the cousins and brothers for a night on the town to the nightclubs after. It is his cousins 'special birthday' so it's being sold to me as something he has to do to- I feel his responsibilities are different he has babies the other males in the family don't- am I being unreasonable saying no to this continuation of the night? I know if I had childcare I'd be allowed to join them but it's not possible and the baby is small still feeding - it's the last thing I want to do anyway. I feel on a different page in life.
If it really was a one off I might feel ok but it's been after the repeated disrespect after darts.
Also in general do you think the weekly darts is making him crave a different lifestyle? Could it be the start of a drink problem?
To add context he is a model father otherwise, works hard, always house proud and getting on with tasks I haven't completed, takes us out all weekend.

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PollyBell · 13/09/2025 12:39

Edamcheese · 13/09/2025 12:27

And so is she also a life after kids but unfortunately that doesn’t always happen. It is always the men who get to go out. It wasn’t just the once if you read what she is saying and doesn’t mind the odd time. You give them one inch then they take the whole hand.

Well woman can go out men can look after children too, if they dont you need to sort that with your partner, but there are mums who play the martyr

RampantIvy · 13/09/2025 13:07

@Hiyahello111 @CopperWhite have you read the OP's update where her husband comes back at 3 am after spending several hours after the pub with people who indulge in coke, then comes home and demands rough sex?

JEM61 · 13/09/2025 13:17

Can I just remind some of the people commenting that we are in 2025 and not 1975? Brushing over the coke use and rough sex. I’m sorry but this is so wrong on so many levels.

RampantIvy · 13/09/2025 13:19

JEM61 · 13/09/2025 13:17

Can I just remind some of the people commenting that we are in 2025 and not 1975? Brushing over the coke use and rough sex. I’m sorry but this is so wrong on so many levels.

Well said. I think some of the posters who think the OP is being unreasonable and "controlling" haven't bothered to read her updates, which makes this thread a frustrating read.

JEM61 · 13/09/2025 13:37

PollyBell · 13/09/2025 12:39

Well woman can go out men can look after children too, if they dont you need to sort that with your partner, but there are mums who play the martyr

Wow. Women supporting women, right? Coke and rough sex. I can see where this is going from a mile off and nothing from what the OP is saying is screaming ‘martyr’. From this I’m actually worried about her and her children’s long term safety and wellbeing.

Roobarbtwo · 13/09/2025 13:55

Alliod40 · 13/09/2025 10:53

I sent my 1st message on what she originally posted..why didn't she state about the coke and rough sex in the start..she made him out to be an idyllic husband at first..stop now

Not sure who you are asking to stop now - it's not my fault if you didn't read the other posts

Roobarbtwo · 13/09/2025 13:56

JEM61 · 13/09/2025 13:37

Wow. Women supporting women, right? Coke and rough sex. I can see where this is going from a mile off and nothing from what the OP is saying is screaming ‘martyr’. From this I’m actually worried about her and her children’s long term safety and wellbeing.

Yeah. Huge alarm bells ringing particularly considering how young the kids are

haze46 · 13/09/2025 14:03

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tenderbee · 13/09/2025 14:05

pikkumyy77 · 13/09/2025 12:19

But OP can’t “nip it in the bud.” What on earth is wrong with mumsnet these days? Half the posters pretend to think its unconscionable that a woman with two under two would object to her dh avoiding taking turns caring for his own children by binge drinking once or twice a week. The other half insist that she can reason it out with him and persuade him to stop drinking.

Its not controlling to expect your dh to care more about his wife and infant children than randos at the pub who need to “drown their sorrows.” And its not possible to get a binge drinking cokehead to stop drinking and drugging.

OP can’t stop this man from tossing away his family. And I wish the mumsnetters who despise women and children with their “cosy” family needs hadn’t taken over the thread with their excuses for this cokehead and his darts gang. Going out binge drinking and drugging with your male friends at the pub once a week is not a meritorious act, its not interesting, its not brave, its just avoidance of family responsibility in a toxic, exclusionary, male society.

Thank you for this. I was wondering if we all read the same thing.
Sighs, it is well.

The way they're making it look like a mom of 2 under 2 is been dramatic or overbearing or been needy or not independent enough.

lilkitten · 13/09/2025 15:35

I know there's more issues here, such as whether he's being honest about what he's doing, but I think having kids made us more keen to get a night out and have adult time. I was like you, though - I didn't have many friends and I stayed at home, he would go out. We balanced it out eventually. It's a lot easier now our DC are teens, and we're back to the kind of social life we had pre-kids. Had a chuckle at wondering how he's gone from wanting to stay at home to clubbing - I definitely went that direction, I think pre-kids I was happy to stay at home but post-kids we needed to let off steam. If I could stay out until 3am, I would.

JEM61 · 13/09/2025 16:33

lilkitten · 13/09/2025 15:35

I know there's more issues here, such as whether he's being honest about what he's doing, but I think having kids made us more keen to get a night out and have adult time. I was like you, though - I didn't have many friends and I stayed at home, he would go out. We balanced it out eventually. It's a lot easier now our DC are teens, and we're back to the kind of social life we had pre-kids. Had a chuckle at wondering how he's gone from wanting to stay at home to clubbing - I definitely went that direction, I think pre-kids I was happy to stay at home but post-kids we needed to let off steam. If I could stay out until 3am, I would.

There are definitely more issues here. Rough sex and cocaine. Going out until 3am - fine on occasion. But they have very young children. This is very different to feeling the urge to go out and let off steam, having a weekly hobby or going for a drink down the pub. It is potentially putting your family at harm. I’ve had my fair share of nights out, so has my husband. But in the context of the OPs situation it is very very different and may get worse (seen it happen, identical situation and it was not good what came next).

Having a social life, seeing your mates, and being respectful of your wife and family should not be separate things. They can both be true, but that is not the case here.

So many women are too afraid to come across as controlling, nagging etc as that’s the narrative fed to us. So they stay quiet, go along with it, but leaves some women in a very vulnerable position when they feel like they can’t speak up for fear of such accusations.

Mandazi · 13/09/2025 16:44

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Have you read the other posts? Coke and rough sex, moody and ruining the day after? This is not okay.

Beentheretoolong · 13/09/2025 16:53

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Even if that fun means rolling in at 3am, wanting rough sex when she has a young baby and is doing night feeds and then being moody the next day? Are you happy for your partner to behave like that in the name of having a bit of fun?

Mandazi · 13/09/2025 17:07

JEM61 · 13/09/2025 16:52

Have you read the other posts? Coke and rough sex, moody and ruining the day after? This is not okay.

There's like 13 pages of replies I'm not going to read them all. Sorry I didn't see the update on that. That's terrible.

Mandazi · 13/09/2025 17:09

Beentheretoolong · 13/09/2025 16:53

Even if that fun means rolling in at 3am, wanting rough sex when she has a young baby and is doing night feeds and then being moody the next day? Are you happy for your partner to behave like that in the name of having a bit of fun?

As I said to another poster I didn't see the update on that. I'm only replying to the OP.

pikkumyy77 · 13/09/2025 17:12

Mandazi · 13/09/2025 17:09

As I said to another poster I didn't see the update on that. I'm only replying to the OP.

You should try to read all the OP’s posts since in a lengthy and probably contentious post there may be key information which renders your brilliant insights less than useful.

sittingonabeach · 13/09/2025 17:30

Surely when a thread gets to many pages you at least check whether OP has responded and added further details

RampantIvy · 13/09/2025 17:43

Mandazi · 13/09/2025 17:07

There's like 13 pages of replies I'm not going to read them all. Sorry I didn't see the update on that. That's terrible.

If you select See all on the OP's first post it will bring up just her posts.

Beentheretoolong · 13/09/2025 17:44

sittingonabeach · 13/09/2025 17:30

Surely when a thread gets to many pages you at least check whether OP has responded and added further details

You’d think that would be the obvious thing to do wouldn’t you? 🙄

mindutopia · 13/09/2025 17:50

Nothing wrong with going out, but it shouldn’t be prioritised in such a way that it impacts on family life. Weekly staying out til 1am, 3am (early morning hours) is a no go once you have kids. A special occasion, yes, totally to be expected, like the birthday party.

But no one can be a decent parent when they are out drinking til 2am or whatever the night before. It means either getting up still drunk on 4 hours sleep with small children. Or writing off the next day having a lie in and being hungover. Neither is acceptable every week. If you did the same the other night of the weekend, your kids would never get a day with both their parents functioning and not hungover. That’s not okay.

With Dh and I, going out is fine as long as it doesn’t majorly impact on the other in terms of childcare or work. If you go out though, you’re still fully engaged in family life, so there is no lying around in bed all day. We’re up and parenting, late night or not. Obviously sleeping til a normal hour like 8am is fine, sleeping til noon every weekend like you’re 22 is not.

And we don’t disturb each other’s sleep. if Dh is going out, he stays out. He stays with a friend, sometimes they all go camping for the night and have a campfire and some drinks, or they go into a big city and stay over in a hotel. Nothing wild, they go to the pub, get some Five Guys and crash out at a Travelodge and then all go home in the morning after a cooked breakfast. It means that whoever is left with the parenting and the early wake up with the kids is not also being woken up by someone crashing in drunk at 3am. That means it’s all really respectful and also fair. No one is lumped with all the parenting all the time because the other is recovering. In fact, dh more often than not takes them out for the day if he’s been out the night before so that I get a break.

The difference is all the above is respectful and this doesn’t sound respectful at all, late nights or not.

JollyTeaScroller · 13/09/2025 17:56

I am extremely extremely sorry to read this post, and i can imagine how horrible you are feeling, with two young babies at home and wanting the home to be a safe nurturing sanctuary and him having some sort of mid life existential crisis where he gets to be free and irresponsible again, so immature and pathetic, but maybe it's a way (if we are to have compassion for him) that he deals with the increased responsibilities of being a father etc. But there is absolutely no excuse and you need support, from your mum or your siblings or your cousin or a professional. And he likely needs support too, so maybe therapy for him and perhaps couples counselling for you both. It would be a shame for you to break up over this and perhaps you can survive it but he needs to be honest with you, about what the hell is happening and not just the drugs and the drink but also what is motivating this change in behaviour, is he struggling with the responsibilities, would there be more healthy ways of letting off steam? I am so so sorry and feel so annoyed at him.

Bluedenimdoglover · 13/09/2025 20:16

If you think he's developing a drink problem, it's likely that he is. I was married to a man like that. It started gradually, drinks after work, then late home, then 10 years of heavier drinking until I realised I was worth more than that. Good luck

LuluBell85 · 13/09/2025 22:43

At the end of the day OP, you have to decide where to draw the line and raise the subject with DP. If you aren't willing to accept your DP staying out until 3am once a week, then you are entitled to feel like that. Please don't let posters above, who maybe can't fully appreciate your perspective, sway you in this. You have to do what is right for you and your DC. Of course we can't stop living our lives with DC, but we sometimes have to accept adjustments until DC are older.

Touchwood2654 · 13/09/2025 22:54

Givemeguidance · 12/09/2025 13:29

Thank you 🙏

I could be the problem here with all my sleepless nights and racing thoughts but this is very good advice and I will do. It's actually not untrue that the babies sleep has got worse.

I have also thought that I should arrange a night out together on the town to see if the behaviour is similar when we are only drinking. I know it sounds ridiculous but I can't tell if he's not just really drunk. When he gets in he's heightened, sniffling, slurring, wanting much more adventurous sex, then so sullen afterwards. But we never used to drink heavily together out and about.

He is definitely doing coke.
Be careful of being coerced into 'adventurous sex' that you might not really be comfortable with. Who are these new 'friends'. Sounds like a crowd that are not his usual type.
I would advise dealing with this head on. Getting in after midnight without even a text to say what his ETA is is very disrespectful. There may be trouble ahead OP.