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Huge row with neightbour, AIBU?

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Nikki3009 · 09/09/2025 00:25

Hi,

I moved into a small shared-ownership house on a new-ish build estate to get away from domestic abuse and I'm very thankful for my home, but tonight I have had an awful row with a neighbour, and I feel so upset.

Adjacent to my house, is a row of houses that are LHA - I want to preface this by saying that I have no issue with this, and I'm only putting in this detail because I think it's relevant. I'm not trying to throw shade on people in local authority housing.

When I moved in, one of the fence panels at the side of my house had a load of scaffolding poles leaning against it. The fence panel was buckling under the weight and bits of it were breaking off so I popped round to let them know (thinking it was their fence). The women basically said, it's your fence, your problem. But to give them their due they did remove the scaffolding poles. And I've not mentioned it since even though they've damaged it. I've just had to accept that it'll be down to me to replace it at some point.

They have 5 children, I think, and they are loud which you would expect but hearing them playing in the garden doesn't bother me. My garden is often very noisy because there are lots of houses in close proximity so I just don't use my garden very often.

The kids from this house are always kicking their balls into my garden and they'd come and knock at my door and I'd have a chat with them and then throw their balls back over. Or, if I found a ball in the garden I'd put it back over the fence for them. Again, no problem.

The issue started when I realised that the kids were coming into my garden whilst I was at work (my daughter caught them when she was staying). I think they were climbing over the fence onto my bin, because I noticed my bin lid was damaged one day and then the following day it was worse. The bin hadn't been moved, so I don't know how it had spontaneoulsly crumpled. When I tried to get a new bin my local council wanted to charge me for it, so in order to get a new bin I had to file a criminal damage report. The police did say they would go and speak to them, but I said not to worry as long as I got a new bin, it would be fine.

One day I was working from home, and I was on a teams call with a really high value client. I could hear the kids banging on my front door but I couldn't go and answer it. Then I heard them rattling my side gate and shouting 'oi we want our ball back'. I had to mute my call and ask them to stop shouting and that I'd be there when I could!

There's been lots of this sort of thing going on, it's irritating but nothing I've complained about. They flooded my side alley way by emptying their swimming pool at the bottom of their garden. They're (the parents) just generally just a bit laissez faire I think and don't really have any respect for their neighbours or their neighbours property.

Roll on this evening and I'm sitting in my lounge with my DD and all we can hear is the fence being smashed by a football. A bit later I'm doing a bit of clearing up and I go out to my side alley to take some rubbish and SMASH the ball hits the fence, the fence panel which is hanging on by a thread anyway looks like its going to fall on me.

I shouted "Excuse me, could you not hit the fence like that please". Now, I hold my hands up, I was stern when I said it but I think it was the shock of the noise. When they shouted back 'we're shooting goals', I replied 'perhaps you could move your goal'? I personally think the parents should be telling their children not to kick a football at their neighbours fence or am I just a bit old school?

The next thing I know, there is hammering at my front door and I mean absolute bashing my door. I wasn't going to answer it, but whoever it was, clearly wasn't going to stop. So I opened the door and it was the mum from the house adjacent to mine.

She shouted "who the fck do you think you are, if you've got a problem you come to my door, you don't speak to my children". It was so aggressive, so I said hold on, the kids are smashing a ball into the fence. And she said "you and that fcking fence....just because you're too tight to f*cking fix it". So, I said why should I pay to fix the damage you caused? And then she went a bit mental.

I thought she was going to hit me. The women's husband had come along and he was holding her back! I was really trying to calmly explain to him why I had said something.

She was going ballistic screaming and shouting about the fence being damaged before I even moved in and so I said well they've damaged it even more by climbing over it to get into my garden. She said 'what's your problem with them getting their ball back"? I said, because if I'm not here, they don't have permission to come onto my property. She laughed and said 'Oh you're a fat fucking bitch". At which point my daughter got involved and told her to f*ck off.

I made my daughter go inside, she was so angry, but she's seen me being verbally abused by her Dad so many times that I think it just triggered her.

The women then said that the kids don't climb over the fence, they come in at the side gate (which I do leave unlocked when it's bin day). She was sneering at me, saying they're just kids, whats the problem. She's lived there 8 years and never had any problems until I moved it (what?)

I was mortified by all the shouting and screaming on the street. I was having a reasonable conversation with her husband but even as she was walked off she shouted "I'm going to tell them to kick your fence even harder".

I feel a bit gaslit...am I being unreasonable? How would you feel if strangers' kids just came into your garden when they felt like it? How would you feel about your fence being used as goal and being damaged? Maybe I'm not cut out for being in close proximity to people with younger kids.

And the 'f•cking fat b*tch' comment has just brought back so many horrible memories of all the verbal abuse and the constant put downs. I kow I'm overweight (I'm a menopausal woman, size 16 and struggling to shift the meno weight). I just didn't really need that being sceamed in my face in my safe space. My daughter got it on video and I'm so tempted to make a police complaint, but I don't want to make things any worse.

What would you do in my situation? I don't want any animosity. Clearly she has different ideas of being neighbourly, respecting neighbours property etc.

I'd been feeling so good recently, I'm having CBT, I'm trying to re-build my life and this has made me feel so small and I'm embarrassed because I'm sure the other neighbours heard it all.

Thank you for listening and letting me vent... xx

OP posts:
tamade · 09/09/2025 10:19

AngelicKaty · 09/09/2025 10:01

OP can report the incident to 101 (and email her DD's video of it) to have it logged for information only and ask that no action be taken.
I wouldn't, as others have suggested, send the balls back deflated - that would definitely escalate the situation.

I did not know that and it is probably a good idea to do so. And she can still keep a log of incidents and evidence (as a plan B) even whilst trying to de-escalate and normalise.

AngelicKaty · 09/09/2025 10:23

mycatismyworld · 09/09/2025 09:53

But threatening behaviour is.

I didn't say it wasn't.

Latenightreader · 09/09/2025 10:23

StewkeyBlue · 09/09/2025 08:48

Do people know how expensive fences are to buy and get erected securely?

Ditto house moves. "I'd just move house" is a regular solution offered on here. Great if you have the time and money, but most people don't have a few thousand to spare, and a shared ownership property comes with extra complications.

Nestingbirds · 09/09/2025 10:23

I would install a strong fence as high as possible with trellising/pitch forks as far as it will go - plant thick, spiky tall bushes and flowers and basically screen them out. I would have running water in my garden so the noise can not be heard. It will soon be winter anyway. Move your bin so it can’t be used again. Keep your gate locked at all times. And live your life.

Review in six months.

I wouldn’t report it, I think you risk escalating the situation and removing an exit path if you need to move in the future.

PollieDarton · 09/09/2025 10:28

dizzydizzydizzy · 09/09/2025 09:16

OP, it's harassment. Keep a diary if anything like that happens again and report her to the police.

You are totally reasonable to not want kids or anyone else letting themselves into your property and not wanting your fence damaged,

Could you plant a thorny hedge to make it more difficult to get into your garden? Eg berberis.

It is not harassment. I do wish people would stop throwing this around Willy nilly. There is a legal definition of what constitutes harassment in legalese and that threshold has not anywhere near been reached yet. As such nobody in authority will treat this as harassment at this stage.

Donewithschoolruns · 09/09/2025 10:29

Get a ring doorbell. Keep reporting issues to the Police and the HA. Advise the HA that the incident has been reported to the police. I would have reported the fence panels to the HA when damage was caused if it is their scaffolding that caused it.

AngelicKaty · 09/09/2025 10:31

TrickyD · 09/09/2025 10:14

Regardless of the smug advice often posted on MN by those who don’t have to put up with this sort of thing, the message is ‘Don’t live near HA housing’.

And "Don't live near HA housing" isn't smug advice? Some people don't have that choice when they're living in a shared-ownership HA property themselves, as OP is. And as others have pointed out, nasty neighbours aren't restricted just to social housing - there are unreasonable arseholes everywhere.

Francestein · 09/09/2025 10:34

I would also recommend planting really prickly plants along the fence the little monsters climb over. (I did this with my evil neighbours)

AgentPidge · 09/09/2025 10:39

AngelicKaty · 09/09/2025 01:51

@Nikki3009 Oh dear OP, I'm so sorry you have the neighbours from hell living next door. I would:

  • Log the incident with the Police and the Housing Association, but tell them it's for information only at this stage;
  • Get a Ring-type door-bell for your front door and a CCTV camera for your back garden;
  • Move your bin to the other side of the garden so her kids can't use it to get over your fence;
  • Gather up all the balls they kick into your garden and take them inside. Return them once a week, say on a Monday, by throwing them back over the fence (and if they knock your door on any other day to ask for them back, don't answer the door);
  • When you can afford it, have a new fence erected on your side of the old one, but keep the old one in situ' to protect the new one from damage from them kicking balls.

Good luck OP - YANBU and I hope that nasty piece of work leaves you alone in future. 🤗

Edited

This is all really good advice. The bit about keeping the balls and giving them back on a Monday is genius. The kids's horrible parents aren't going to teach them that their behaviour is unacceptable, so maybe they'll learn this way.

I'm so sorry OP. What rotten luck to have them as neighbours. They are just uncivilised. They'd wind anyone up. Try not to take it personally.

StewkeyBlue · 09/09/2025 10:39

TrickyD · 09/09/2025 10:14

Regardless of the smug advice often posted on MN by those who don’t have to put up with this sort of thing, the message is ‘Don’t live near HA housing’.

@TrickyD and other posters who have commented on location and ‘just move’ the OP is an abuse survivor. She has managed to escape and get the money together for a SHARED OWNERSHIP property.

Presumably because that is what she can afford.

With all the expense that buying and moving entails.

How on earth is this kind of helpful or supportive advice?

It is tantamount to victim blaming.

AngelicKaty · 09/09/2025 10:45

StewkeyBlue · 09/09/2025 10:39

@TrickyD and other posters who have commented on location and ‘just move’ the OP is an abuse survivor. She has managed to escape and get the money together for a SHARED OWNERSHIP property.

Presumably because that is what she can afford.

With all the expense that buying and moving entails.

How on earth is this kind of helpful or supportive advice?

It is tantamount to victim blaming.

So the fence advice is by far the cheaper solution then (I posted "When you can afford it, have a new fence erected ...). And "victim-blaming" - over-reaction much?

NeedthatFridayfeeling · 09/09/2025 10:46

AbbieLexie · 09/09/2025 00:57

Please log it with the police and the HA.

This and if possible get cameras, Blink are good as not too expensive for the monthly subscription, especially if you stick to 1 camera.
I’m sorry your dealing with this, it’s way out of order!

Mogwais · 09/09/2025 10:46

Id definitely report to the housing association, but also can you maybe plant something with thorns along your fence line, pyracantha, mahonia and berberis are good as a deterrent to them climbing the fence, we had to do the same on ours as antisocial kids would cut through everyone's gardens jumping fences for fun. Also if you replace the fence get a 6ft one and maybe also paint with anti vandal paint, its a disgrace that you can't enjoy your home.

helenmelonmoon · 09/09/2025 10:47

I haven’t read all the response so sorry if my suggestions are repeats.
I live in shared ownership with an awful woman next door who has two feral children. They kick footballs at my car, house and fence. Rubbish everywhere that blows into my driveway. Swear, scream, shout. Destroy my plants. Sneak up my driveway.
What I have learnt. Do not communicate with them. Get a video doorbell to record everything. Record ball hitting your fence and keep photos of clear damage with fence leaning into your garden. If you can get photos from upstairs of stuff leaning on it, even better.
Contact HA and request to open an ASB case. All of the photos, logs and videos can be submitted as evidence. Anti social behaviour includes littering, noise nuisance, hate crimes (including name calling/swearing), damage to property and communal areas. Look up your HAs policy and try to pick out as many as you can. You will be asked by the case officer how this activity is affecting you. Be brutally honest. It’s affecting your mental health. You can say things like you are worried about using your own garden and leaving the house. You are worried about financial costs of the fence repair. My ASB officer was very good and as a shared ownership tenant they will be on your side.
They will initially send out a warning letter. As soon as behaviour happens again, you contact the case officer (with evidence if you can). Then they will make a formal visit. This is when the behaviour stopped for me. Their behaviour is breaching their tenancy contract. There’s only so many times they can do it.

chattychatchatty · 09/09/2025 10:50

Could you make your garden a less attractive place for them to lose their ball: spiky plants, railings (if affordable), etc.

WhatATimeToBeAlive · 09/09/2025 10:56

Francestein · 09/09/2025 10:34

I would also recommend planting really prickly plants along the fence the little monsters climb over. (I did this with my evil neighbours)

Yes, pyracantha is perfect. I put some in my last house as little shits were climbing over the fence at the back. Soon stopped.

Lotsnlotsoflove · 09/09/2025 11:02

I'm with making a complaint to the HA. I lived next to nightmare neighbours and they did get evicted eventually, after an anti social behaviour order moved one of the more unhinged adult children out of the area.

FairKoala · 09/09/2025 11:03

Cameras all around your house and motion detecting lawn sprinklers

Getting wet when retrieving their balls might make them think twice about coming into your garden. Also ring door bell to record the unhinged doorstep rantings

AngelicKaty · 09/09/2025 11:03

helenmelonmoon · 09/09/2025 10:47

I haven’t read all the response so sorry if my suggestions are repeats.
I live in shared ownership with an awful woman next door who has two feral children. They kick footballs at my car, house and fence. Rubbish everywhere that blows into my driveway. Swear, scream, shout. Destroy my plants. Sneak up my driveway.
What I have learnt. Do not communicate with them. Get a video doorbell to record everything. Record ball hitting your fence and keep photos of clear damage with fence leaning into your garden. If you can get photos from upstairs of stuff leaning on it, even better.
Contact HA and request to open an ASB case. All of the photos, logs and videos can be submitted as evidence. Anti social behaviour includes littering, noise nuisance, hate crimes (including name calling/swearing), damage to property and communal areas. Look up your HAs policy and try to pick out as many as you can. You will be asked by the case officer how this activity is affecting you. Be brutally honest. It’s affecting your mental health. You can say things like you are worried about using your own garden and leaving the house. You are worried about financial costs of the fence repair. My ASB officer was very good and as a shared ownership tenant they will be on your side.
They will initially send out a warning letter. As soon as behaviour happens again, you contact the case officer (with evidence if you can). Then they will make a formal visit. This is when the behaviour stopped for me. Their behaviour is breaching their tenancy contract. There’s only so many times they can do it.

Thank you. Great, practical advice re. the HA's role from someone who's experienced the same sort of behaviour - I think OP will find this helpful and reassuring. 🤗

Laura95167 · 09/09/2025 11:08

So Id make a list of these interactions in a diary. Id start by documentation the dates and bin being broken issue, and the dates an issue regarding this aggressive nonsense from her.

Id then ring 111 and report the threatening behaviour from the most recent account, just so if things escalate you can report them the the LHA.

This interaction on its own is just unpleasant but it may be something that escaltes

dizzydizzydizzy · 09/09/2025 11:10

PollieDarton · 09/09/2025 10:28

It is not harassment. I do wish people would stop throwing this around Willy nilly. There is a legal definition of what constitutes harassment in legalese and that threshold has not anywhere near been reached yet. As such nobody in authority will treat this as harassment at this stage.

Edited

https://www.local.gov.uk/definition-harassment-abuse-and-intimidation

Here is an explanation of harassment. It sounds like it is at least heading in that direction if it happen again .Howevr i have absolutely no legal training. If you do, perhaps you’d like to explain it a bit more. That would be helpful to tbe OP.

letmethrough · 09/09/2025 11:12

They shouldn't be climbing on your bin or kicking ball against your fence so hard but I personally would not be bothered by kids coming into my garden when I am not there to retrieve a ball. There's no harm in that.

Sorry this escalated so badly OP.

KimberleyClark · 09/09/2025 11:18

Who the hell voted YABU?

Dinosaurland · 09/09/2025 11:19

I think alot of people on this thread are forgetting that if you OWN the boundary fence it is your property. Your neighbour has no right to paint, lean, hang including tying plants on your fence that is the law in the UK. Therefore it is criminal damage and a police matter. I know someone who damaged a fence in different circumstances and was made to pay through the police for the repairs. Even the scaffolding should never have been lent on it according to boundary laws.

OneNewLeader · 09/09/2025 11:24

So sorry. My neighbours put barbed wire on the top of their fence, to stop cat and kids. It was the 70’s, but worked a treat.

I’d set up a camera in your garden. Useful to have evidence.