To think most men are filthy losers

[fightbackorriseabove]

I'm going through the menopause, so have a low libido at the moment, which might explain my disgust. I don't know. I didn't use to be a prude, but I'm feeling more and more annoyed these days by men and their general behaviour.

I have a few male friends who, to varying degrees, always manage to slip in an innuendo or even an outright sexual remark. And out of politeness, or not wanting to cause a scene, I smile or roll my eyes in jest. I can only think of one occasion when I told a bloke to stop, and he REALLY took the hump. This was a married man who pursued me, but then said he was just joking and that I took myself too seriously. In fact, he got very angry.

I have lots of personal issues at the moment. Mad stuff. One of these issues lead to me googling my ex.

Well, the filth I found was disturbing. Men, thousands of them, masturbating online. I can only think they're doing it in front of each other. Becsuse there can't be many women wanting to sit and watch them. Surely? My ex was one of them.

I'm not talking about Only Fans where people pay. I'm talking about sex webcam stuff where men seem to just be filming themselves wanking. And watching each other. I don't even think it's gay. These are heterosexual men doing it for free. All ages.

Maybe I'm naïve.

But it's been a real eye opener for me.

I always knew men watched porn. But sitting there filming themselves and watching each other. It's madness.

I really do think that we, as women, spend our time worrying, working, caring, thinking, planning... and men just do the stuff thry have to do and then go back to messing with themselves or pestering women. Including their wives. And they keep having to up the limit because they can't get excited uness it's something really vile.

How many of us have felt obliged to have sex with a man, a partner, to avoid his anger, sulking, grumpiness. We've chosen sex as the lesser of two evils when we didn't want it.

It's not a human right, is it? They need to calm the fuck down.

Maybe I'm being unreasonable and grumpy, but I just think most of them ming.

Incel is short for involuntarily celibate; the term describes a man who is unable to accept that relationships need to be mutually agreed upon and believes that women ought to obey him and engage with him sexually.

The women on this thread would surely be better described as 'hapcels', ie they are happy to be celibate and would like men to stop harassing them.
Or have I perhaps misunderstood you?

A lot of male incels are the same though.

No male incels are happily celibate. Men
who are happily celibate are not incels.

Also, so-say, that they bribe police to get away with sexual assault...

Could be tales from the ass but I can believe it. Imagine transposing women with other demographics.

Women are despised. So many current issues show that males feelings and wants outweighs females...

“I really do think that we, as women, spend our time worrying, working, caring, thinking, planning... and men just do the stuff they have to do and then go back to messing with themselves or pestering women. Including their wives. And they keep having to up the limit because they can't get excited unless it's something really vile.”

With this one paragraph I think you’ve pretty much summed up where we are today re shitty men. Of course there ARE still good men out there, but, how to find them? So many have learnt deception and dishonesty from friends or the internet (I think) and are happy to deceive to get to where they want to be with their woman of choice. Quite often they’ll play the waiting game surprisingly well.

My daughter’s husband (STBXH) is intellectually very lacking, but we thought he was overall a ‘nice lad’. He turned to some degree with the first baby, but with pregnancy for the second, turned fully into the devil himself. I won’t put too much detail here, but he’s done a HUGE amount of damage to my daughter’s self-esteem and her mental health.

It’s heart-breaking to see two beautiful baby daughters are now growing up in this broken family puzzled as to what’s happened. The older one has already detected that daddy is a very angry man. They both seem very bright, but spending a lot of time with him and his irrational mother is not going well. As grandparents we have to spend a lot of time defusing the situation which is such a pain when we want to enjoy this time of life.

So my vote is 100% YANBU @fightbackorriseabove .

Thank you so much for your thread. :o)

I don’t think they would align themselves with the incel movement if they had these views. Perhaps MGTOWs. There are lots of names for all these factions of men that hate women.

Is there a catchy name for women who want to live their lives free from male sexual violence?

The same as what?

Men on the whole are the stronger sex physically, they will allways present a threat physically to women.

Men can be protectors aswell as attackers.

Women will pair with men for protection, other males maybe deterred by a male protecting his female and their offspring.
Single females will face a stronger force of male attention, which includes nasty male attention.

The world is a frightening place, especially if you are or have been exposed to the underbelly of society, money can help protect you, it can keep you safer than those in poverty.
Aging protects females further, many men will ignor women past fertility.

There are many men out there who also are fearful of other men, many of these men actively avoid alpha/stronger males.

If you are expecting all males to be nice, you are going to be dissapointed, to keep yourself safe you must minimise your interactions with males, you must learn to see the signs with overtly predatory ones and learn to shut down innapropriate conversations. You have to learn this if you are female, it is not fair but society won't protect you, you must learn this for yourself.

Sometimes the protectors turn into aggresors, this is particularly frightening, they can also turn into family anihilators, turning on their own offspring.

The only way women will ever be safe is if all male aggression could be surpressed and disabled, but we are not robots.
It is unfortunate we are the weaker sex physically, it is the law of the jungle.
Women's brains have evolved to make survival possible, we face new challenges at every turn in the human race's development.

You can complain but privately you must protect yourself the best you can with the resouces you have. Collectively women should support one another, many men will opose this.

Many women are the slaves of men.

I believe you, terrible things happen to women and children at the hands of men and much of it is not reported let alone punished. But I don't accept that all or most men are like this. I know too many who are not.

I knew somebody would say this.

Realistically, I think it's fair to be reimbursed for what you've sacrificed - admittedly this may be a bit difficult to actually calculate. However, I'd say it's unlikely you'd have been a millionaire within the next five years if you were on £35k when you married mr rich stockbroker.

No doubt some men rely enormously on their spouses - not just for the childcare and home side but also for moral support. However, I think it's often a bit of a fallacy to think that a lot of men wouldn't have been successful if they hadn't got the wife at home. In many cases they'd have just had to fork out for cleaners etc.

Also, people on here talk as if it's not a lifestyle choice choosing to quit FT work. No doubt, some families can't afford to lose the higher earner's salary, but for many it's just a case that they prefer the higher quality of life - nicer house, more holidays, newer cars, etc.

You can't really blame people for placing themselves and their family first but you also can't have your cake and eat it. And the more women put their foot down the less it'll be expected that we become the default carer. But putting your money where your mouth is isn't easy when it means working hard for less overall income vs working part time and having more joint money.

Chances are some of these men you know might not be as innocent as you think. So many women chose to stand by men who did the most disgusting things to their victims. In my country, in the case of incest, the offender is not named because it could identify the victim. In some States it’s illegal for the victim to identify themselves or the person who assaulted them (even after a criminal conviction) and they have to get permission from the Court.

We're nothing like incels. We don't go around killing people like they do. We've just had bad experiences like rape, violence, being treated like housemaids and being lied to and cheated on.
Incels believe women owe them sex and do nasty things to them when they get turned down.
Women who have been brutalised do none of those things, they just want to be left alone in peace. There is a vast ocean between us. Think yourself very lucky indeed if you've never experienced rape or violence. Most women have.

@Gettingbysomehow
Think yourself very lucky indeed if you've never experienced rape or violence. Most women have
Are you referring to me here?

How many female 'incels' have you known who a) practised their pick-up techniques on unsuspecting strangers; b) conducted school shootings as wholesale vengeance against the other sex; c) became abusive with women who refuse to cooperate; d) demanded sex from men as something 'owed' to them by right (and sometimes taking it by force); e) have radicalised a whole generation of young women into undisguised hatred and sometimes all-out terrorism of the other sex, because of their own inadequacies and unshakeable belief that sentient human beings exist to be receptacles for their desires?

How many detailed examples of a woman like this have you read about in the media? (Oh, and Valerie Solanas doesn't count. That was the 1960s).

I'll wait.

As for the handmaidens (I make no apologies for the use of term) appearing on this thread to give their predictable tellings off to women who have had it up to here with this BS. There's a huge manosphere out there and a whole offline world which privileges male interests to the hilt, makes every excuse for pandering to their sexual predilections, and excoriates women who want no part of that and say 'no'. I'm sure all this will be much more to your taste than this thread.

Youre doing amazingly girl, dont listen to the loud men defenders 🤢 - women like that are scary.

Sorry, I didnt see this 🙈

This feminist circle sounds great 🥰😄

Some of them give that species a bad name. Just going around being sex pests, taking their misery and anger out on innocent women, causing problems left and right

Ugh

And the stories on here paint a picture of a truly terrifying set of men

But all some women care about is 'well its not all men'

Kim, there's women that are dying!

I know many men who don't fit the stereotype you are portraying.

How many is most.
Your meeting the wrong men clearly.

That you KNOW of. How well do you really know them?

Tbf the much celebrated suffragettes did maim innocent postal workers with their letter bombs and tried to detonate bombs in churches and theatres filled with the public. They weren't anywhere near as toxic as incels but incels aren't widely celebrated as heroes.

Women will pair with men for protection, other males maybe deterred by a male protecting his female and their offspring.
Single females will face a stronger force of male attention, which includes nasty male attention.

LOL!!!

Posters Like @Bollabol just prevent sensible conversations about male violence.

They may have had all bad experiences with men but they won't believe that other women have different experiences.

My first boyfriend of two years was possessive, violent and manipulating. 10 years later I met my DH who is totally the opposite. Many years later we are still happily married

I've never been on OLD though.

Are you comparing…the woman’s suffrage movement to the incel movement?

Do you think men not being able to get their dick’s wet is the same as women being systemically oppressed?

🙄🙄🙄🙄

(And in what world is the female equivalent of a male incel…a suffragette ?!? - it would simply be a female incel.)