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If one was to ‘find’ some spray paint how might one amusingly deface a St George’s Cross (hypothetically ofc)

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Namechangechangeobv · 01/09/2025 19:29

Just as the title says really. We’ve thought of a game of noughts and crosses but figured you Vipers might have a good idea of some other visual effects that could be added. TIA

You are being unreasonable = stop
spoiling the knuckledraggers fun

you are not being unreasonable = crack on gals!

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Digidestined · 01/09/2025 21:41

Notashamed13 · 01/09/2025 21:14

You must be right. I am not allowed to be annoyed at people wanting to deface my country's flag.. Nothing to do with any of the dickheads painting red crosses.

What is nothing to do with dickheads painting red crosses?

Your post isn't clear.

OneAmberFinch · 01/09/2025 21:44

If you would like to make a stand against widespread riots, unrest and violence against immigrants (and people caught up in it), can I make a suggestion:

  1. Have a conversation with some of the people who are frustrated about immigration, purely to understand their concerns directly;

  2. See if any of those concerns overlap with any of your own interests (I'm sure there must be something - faster deportations for criminals perhaps, so people have more trust in the system?)

  3. Advocate for policies that secure those shared interests through the legal and parliamentary systems, so that people don't feel the need for extra-legal "solutions"

Immigrants are NOT any safer in a society which is in the middle of a physically-violent revolution, but that is the direction of travel if the immigration system isn't controlled through the rule of law. I really urge anyone reading this to not see this as "sides" with "cares about immigrant humans" on one side and "wants to control immigration" on another.

AcquadiP · 01/09/2025 21:44

MeganM3 · 01/09/2025 20:30

It’s been a symbol of the far right for many years. The far right are very racist.

It's been the English flag since the Middle Ages. It doesn't belong to the Far Right and never has. It's flown at all major international sports events including rugby and football. It's time to wrench it off the far right and take it back, not kowtow to a minority of knuckle daggers.

Notashamed13 · 01/09/2025 21:45

Digidestined · 01/09/2025 21:41

What is nothing to do with dickheads painting red crosses?

Your post isn't clear.

I bow down to thee. You win. I give up. Deface the St Georges Cross all you like. In fact, just ban it altogether save a whole lot of fucking hassle and division.

Namechangechangeobv · 01/09/2025 21:46

AcquadiP · 01/09/2025 21:44

It's been the English flag since the Middle Ages. It doesn't belong to the Far Right and never has. It's flown at all major international sports events including rugby and football. It's time to wrench it off the far right and take it back, not kowtow to a minority of knuckle daggers.

How though??!

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Digidestined · 01/09/2025 21:50

Notashamed13 · 01/09/2025 21:45

I bow down to thee. You win. I give up. Deface the St Georges Cross all you like. In fact, just ban it altogether save a whole lot of fucking hassle and division.

🙄

penfoldanddangermouse · 01/09/2025 21:54

WhereIsMyJumper · 01/09/2025 20:16

The flag that you hate so much represents such a huge amount of tolerance that you’re allowed to hate it. Even deface it.

I doubt citizens in North Korea would get away with defacing their flag.
I shouldn’t think it would be welcomed in the US, either.

Thanks fuck we are not North Koreans or worse still...Americans FFS

AcquadiP · 01/09/2025 21:56

Namechangechangeobv · 01/09/2025 21:29

What I don’t understand, and I genuinely say this, is how you cannot see what the flag you love is being used to do.

And if you can see it - why you would want any part of it?

I am genuinely interested to know.

It's not a case of what it's currently being used to, more a question of why should normal English people abandon their flag because of a minority of knuckle dragging morons? It's England's flag, it has been since the Middle Ages. It's flown with pride during international sports events such as rugby. If the far right want their own flag, they are welcome to create their own because the flag of St George doesn't belong to them and never has. The best thing to do with these idiots is to ignore them, they'll get bored and move on to something else that they can shout mindless nonsense about.

scalt · 01/09/2025 21:58

Nigel loves me,
this I know,
'Cause Reform
tells me so.

(To the tune of Jesus loves me)

Jumpingthruhoops · 01/09/2025 21:58

PamIsAVolleyballChamp · 01/09/2025 20:01

Oh gosh what japes, how clever and considerably better than the 'knuckle draggers' are you.....
You do realise it's ridiculous, condescending shit like you're spouting that perpetuates and fuels things....?

Exactly this! Then they'll be scratching their heads when Farage gets into No.10 wondering: 'How on earth did that happen!?' 🤔

CagneyNYPD1 · 01/09/2025 21:58

I am English. I am British. I am European (despite the Brexit vote).

That’s my flag. I am disgusted with how other people in this country have hijacked my flag. What should be a symbol of national pride for all is used to taunt, harass, bully and abuse.

Making jokes about it will not make it better. Nor will daubing graffiti and slogans on the English flag, even well meaning, anti Farage ones.

I despair.

NoThanksNeeded · 01/09/2025 22:08

SeaAndStars · 01/09/2025 21:33

I don't buy this.
You only have to look at any sporting or royal event to know that anyone is 'allowed' to be patriotic. The Mall is often literally wall to wall red white and blue.

Mr Brown who flies the St George Cross on his allotment isn't being intimidated.
The church opposite my house flies the damned thing.
If you want to fly it, fly it, but painting it on crossings as part of a massive event?
Is that patriotic, or are you saying something specific?

When there's some very clever but very unsavoury people carefully manipulating the mood of a nation then, yes, it doesn't mean it's racist. It means a racist group has spotted the unsettled nature of the nation and is stirring to gain support from people who can only see that issue

NoThanksNeeded · 01/09/2025 22:11

DontGoJasonWaterfalls · 01/09/2025 21:34

People have to take responsibility for their actions and how those may be perceived, and be responsible for their own critical thinking.

If someone will be "pushed" towards Reform because someone took down a flag or criticised the notices behind the current wave of them popping up everywhere, they were already on the path.

I fly Palestine and pride flags alongside my Welsh flag. I take responsibility and accountability for that; if people want to call me a moron / snowflake / lefty / handmaiden then that's their prerogative to do so. They aren't "pushing me further left" or turning me Communist or anything - I'm responsible for forming my own political views; if I suddenly join a far left militant group, that's my choice and not to be blamed on the people on the right who criticised me.

There's so much talk of "stand up", "rise up", "take our country back", coming from the same people who can't even take responsibility and accountability for their own beliefs and blame them on others "pushing them".

Not everyone flying flags is saying "take our country back"

Carefully manipulating the "normal people" on one issue until they don't see that they're supporting something they don't approve of any more is exactly how extremists work. It's a bit naive to think people can notice they are being manipulated

NoThanksNeeded · 01/09/2025 22:17

SeaAndStars · 01/09/2025 21:18

Really interesting to read about people 'taking back' the St George Cross flag. It's widespread use is a pretty recent thing.

Before the 90s it really wasn't much used. I rarely saw it in the 70s and 80s and, if you look at photos of the England crowd for the 1966 World Cup final the flag used there was the Union Jack - not a George Cross to be seen.

The fact we don't use the Union Jack (and yes, that's perfectly acceptable even if not at sea) for England any more is because of the devolved nations pushing for their own recognition ad individuals. The Union Jack isn't the flag of England, it's the flag of the UK. Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have their own flags which they like to be recognised too

excusezmoi · 01/09/2025 22:25

I appreciated your razor sharp comment @WhereIsMyJumper.

This really is sanctimonious tedium.

StrongandNorthern · 01/09/2025 22:26

PrincessofWells · 01/09/2025 19:58

A pentagon . . .

Pentangle?

wineosaurusrex · 01/09/2025 22:29

The England flag is seen as racist because the people flying them are massive racists who are using them purely to be racist and intimate immigrants! Obviously

TheCurious0range · 01/09/2025 22:31

Take them down wearing a fake council lanyard, and tell anyone who challenges you, you work for the council and have been ordered to remove them on threat of dismissal, so the council get all the backlash, it's what happened here 😂 It genuinely wasn't the council, I know this for a fact via work, but everyone hates the council's new bin regime so happy to jump on the we all hate the council bandwagon. It's been surprisingly unifying, social media is going wild

PrincessofWells · 01/09/2025 22:34

StrongandNorthern · 01/09/2025 22:26

Pentangle?

Pentagons hold spiritual significance for several cultures, often representing harmony, unity and the interconnectedness of things.

Lockdownsceptic · 01/09/2025 22:38

MeganM3 · 01/09/2025 20:30

It’s been a symbol of the far right for many years. The far right are very racist.

It has been the symbol of England for over 600 years.

crackofdoom · 01/09/2025 22:41

I would cover it up with a big red heart. Maybe write "Choose love" on it.

Gladysknightjustwalkinmyshoes · 01/09/2025 22:41

X and o game

LeticiaMorales · 01/09/2025 22:45

Gladysknightjustwalkinmyshoes · 01/09/2025 22:41

X and o game

With 4 boxes?

Lockdownsceptic · 01/09/2025 22:46

HelenaWaiting · 01/09/2025 20:54

There is no evidence whatsoever of any connection to Palestine. He was probably Cappadocian Greek, born in modern Turkiye. "Lydda, Palaestina" where he is believed to have died is actually Lod in central Israel. There is no evidence that he was "raised" there.

Palestine didn’t exist then. St George was a Roman soldier, who was born, lived and died in parts of the Roman Empire.
It dies no one any good to impose modern geography and politics onto the ancient world.

Lockdownsceptic · 01/09/2025 22:48

Helena waiting. Just in case it isn’t clear: I’m agreeing with you.