To ask if you'll be attending the anti fascism protest on 13 September

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I'd like to go in solidarity with like minded people, but worry about it turning violent. I won't be taking my children and will likely be going alone. Lots of people I know detest Tommy Robinson but will stay away due to the likelihood of trouble, but I really want to help send a message that racism and hatred won't win. Is anyone here considering going, or decided to stay away?

Wow, yes, this would most CERTAINLY be considered racist, and is in fact racist. But hey, different rules for different people I guess.

Exactly. I reported the original comment twice but it’s still there so apparently it’s ok. Imagine a word like that used to describe a person of colour? There would be uproar and rightly so. There is no need to use derogatory terms to describe anyone.

Gammon is more of an attitude than about skin colour. It's not racist for FFS.
(Auto correct wanted to call them balloons. That'd work too 😁 )

I don't think so!! Since when have gammon joints had attitude problems?! 😂

It says quite a lot about the type of person that uses this word as an insult. The usual righteous spouting fools. I'm glad MN haven't deleted as they stand as a reminder of the hypocrisy.

I’m guessing it’s less than £8,000,000 per day?

Don’t FFS me.

It’s a derogatory word to describe a certain demographic of people, so it very much is racist. I wouldn’t personally be offended by it but it can’t be one rule for some and a different rule for others.

Crikey, you're getting offended at my use of FFS?
Then apparently it's the left woke brigade that are easily upset 🙄 😂

No, it’s the double standards and hypocrisy. I would feel the same if it were a word used to describe ethnic minorities. There’s no need. There are plenty ways of getting points across without using derogatory language.

I’m just going to say that I’m all for legal immigration and genuine asylum seekers. I’ve got a broken wisdom tooth that needs surgery to remove because of where the nerves in my gum lie rather than a straight forward extraction I had a consultation last December and I’m still waiting. We had a newsletter from my youngests primary school to say that the Gov has cut £30,000 off the schools budget.

Race, religion, legality aside - there really is only so much one country can do financially. £8 million per day is an awful lot of money that isn’t going towards helping our pensioners or children our NHS and the homeless on our streets.

We are an island, there are plenty of safe countries to settle when fleeing war (take your wife and children with you so they don’t die btw)

I'm married to an American and we’ve been together for 5 years getting things in place and saving up to meet the requirements of legal immigration for him. Now, we can’t afford it. It’s gone from £16800 in the bank to £68000 😭 I don’t know what we’re going to do and I’m fairly certain he doesn’t want to row across the Atlantic.

I think both sides of this argument need to be more realistic and stop playing the racism/fascism card.

Our country is on its knees in terms of funding for education, hospitals and police. I’m only late 40s, but when I was a kid the doctor came to for house visits if you were unwell, there were bobbies on the beat which kept crime low, but if a crime was committed the police would come. Our country is a shambles. Even local councils don’t clear streets of rubbish or weeds, and the bins only collected fortnightly despite increasing council tax.

However, keep paying benefits to illegal immigrants and paying for them to stay in hotels. Utter madness. If Nigel Farage will stop this…then I’m sorry but I’m all for them getting in power.

Of course gammon is racist

Of course ‘gammon’ isn’t racist. It’s rude, but it’s not racist.

It’s the sort of insult used by sad little bearded men in sandals and women who wear pac-a-macs and use walking poles, all of whom are frothing Remainers and LibDem or Labour voters. Losers, basically.

@Cleo8504 our school sent a begging letter as well citing various payments and so on. Eg ni hike. Begging us to donate .

We had one locally today, I was working but my hubby went. We have to stand up against this hatred. I'm very much a non confrontational person but this nonsense is all built on lies, it's horrific.

If it's SWP and antifa etc I just think it's something for them to do they love this . They will be thrilled re migrant hostel trouble because it keeps them busy

I agree with pp wanting not only controlled immigration but also a choice of asylum seekers we can take to keep a balance in the UK eg...women and children not self selecting men is not racist

Calling everyone fascist who believes this is wrong and inflamatory and drives division .

Of course its racist (and sexist). It is a derogatory insult at a specific group (white males) based on their race (and sex).

Gammon is a derogatory term, yes, but to claim it’s racist is just a way for white people to play the victim.

It not only minimises the very real and enduring discrimination and dehumanisation that minorities have experienced but it’s like DARVO. When people are retaliating against racist ignorance, they are made out to be the bad one to avoid the racist fuckwit having to take accountability for anything they said.

It started out as a humorous descriptive for bald, tragic, fragile, angry males coined by other white people. To claim they are remotely comparable is laughable and idiotic.

Minorities have been subjected to names and insults and abuse since forever, but the minute someone says something about a white man, ‘’WAAAHHHHH!!!! That’s racist!’’

Give it a rest 😂

Lets not pretend that once Nigel has removed the "illegal immigrants" that money will suddenly appear for the education system and local councils. There's far more that can and needs to be done. Like tax evasion. Like benefit fraud. People who get given free housing because they know how to play the system and pretend they cant work. (Ive seen this, its been reported and nothing has been done).
Yes I agree the Asylum system needs sorting out but there are other issues at play as well. Lets not pretend British people arent playing the systems to keep money or to get given things from the government.
Where is the £350 million per week that was going to the NHS once we left the EU. Which coincidently made it harder to send asylum seekers back to Europe.

The cost for these asylum hotels has actually reduced per day in the last year. The government are sending people back and vetting them. But we won't hear about that because it isn't sensationalised in the news and doesnt sell.

Also I just needed to add, illegal immigrants can't get benefits. If they're illegal, they cannot work or be given anything by the government (if they are working its likely cash in hand or businesses are employing them illegally). Asylum seekers can get £50 per week. And cannot work. So literally can't pay back into the system even if they wanted to until their application is processed.

I’m only late 40s, but when I was a kid the doctor came to for house visits if you were unwell, there were bobbies on the beat which kept crime low, but if a crime was committed the police would come.

GPs haven’t made house visits for at least 30 years and the police haven’t pounded the beat for even longer. We were burgled in 2004 and there was no police attendance then, we were just given a crime number for the insurance. There was no utopia except in rose tinted memory.

I really want to go on the 13th but to be on the other side. I went last year and it was fantastic all ages races all together flying the flag…one of my best days! Anyone who wants all these illegals should be made to house 1 donate clothes food etc so the rest of us are not paying for it. You will walk past your own sleeping in doorways but then think you are so kind wanting us to house illegals it is nuts

@ElizaTh0rnberry "Where is the £350 million per week that was going to the NHS once we left the EU. Which coincidently made it harder to send asylum seekers back to Europe"

That is incorrect.

The UK’s withdrawal from the Dublin System and the EU’s Common European Asylum System means that the UK is no longer required to take asylum seekers from EU member states, not even for family reunion reasons. During the entirety of its participation in the Dublin System, the UK did transfer out more people than it received but only by a small margin and with a pronounced trend of being a net recipient under the system since 2016

do you think the girls saying they have been raped but these men are lying?

Apologies- 41% of the 899 protestors arrested in last summer’s protests had committed previous DV offences.
Not company I would like to keep. Certainly not people who care for women and girls.

Nope.

Its a phrase often used by people that claim that they can't be racist as they are POC, BAME, Black, whatever and that you can't be racist against whites.

Some of use actually know what both definitions of racism are, and this fits within one of them.

If you want to callout a racist fuckwit then do so,. but don't lower yourself down to their level by being a racist fuckwit yourself.

And no I won't give it a rest, because like you I will call out racism in all its forms.