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Whatafustercluck · 2025-08-26T17:44:21+00:00

I'd like to go in solidarity with like minded people, but worry about it turning violent. I won't be taking my children and will likely be going alone. Lots of people I know detest Tommy Robinson but will stay away due to the likelihood of trouble, but I really want to help send a message that racism and hatred won't win. Is anyone here considering going, or decided to stay away?

Teanbiscuits33 · 30/08/2025 23:26

FrippEnos · 30/08/2025 23:15

Nope.

Its a phrase often used by people that claim that they can't be racist as they are POC, BAME, Black, whatever and that you can't be racist against whites.

Some of use actually know what both definitions of racism are, and this fits within one of them.

If you want to callout a racist fuckwit then do so,. but don't lower yourself down to their level by being a racist fuckwit yourself.

And no I won't give it a rest, because like you I will call out racism in all its forms.

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It is not comparable, and I don’t care what you say. You do you. The so called ‘gammons’ wouldn’t get called as such if they weren’t such fucking losers with such fragile egos that they have to punch down on minorities to make themselves feel superior 😂. They have achieved fuck all of note so instead they stand outside hotels wrapped in flags and singing rule Britannia, breaking in and intimidating vulnerable people in a place when they are supposed to feel safe.

People should be proud of achievements, not where they were born which they had no damn control of, might as well be proud of being born at all 😂😂 But they have no achievements do they?, so ENGERLAAAAAND!! Is the only thing they can cling on to 😂.

That’s not ‘concern’, it’s intimidation and nationalism. ‘We’re paying for them to have everything!!!!’ What a laugh, most of them don’t fucking work to pay for themselves, never mind asylum seekers 😂

MaxineHarper · 30/08/2025 23:27

BIossomtoes · 30/08/2025 21:52

I’m only late 40s, but when I was a kid the doctor came to for house visits if you were unwell, there were bobbies on the beat which kept crime low, but if a crime was committed the police would come.

GPs haven’t made house visits for at least 30 years and the police haven’t pounded the beat for even longer. We were burgled in 2004 and there was no police attendance then, we were just given a crime number for the insurance. There was no utopia except in rose tinted memory.

Correct. If you do the maths, “late 40s” - “kid age” then you’d get 30+ years. I never said illegal migrants have CAUSED the country to be in its knees. But money should not be spent housing them when we can’t even support our own.

MaxineHarper · 30/08/2025 23:33

ElizaTh0rnberry · 30/08/2025 21:06

Lets not pretend that once Nigel has removed the "illegal immigrants" that money will suddenly appear for the education system and local councils. There's far more that can and needs to be done. Like tax evasion. Like benefit fraud. People who get given free housing because they know how to play the system and pretend they cant work. (Ive seen this, its been reported and nothing has been done).
Yes I agree the Asylum system needs sorting out but there are other issues at play as well. Lets not pretend British people arent playing the systems to keep money or to get given things from the government.
Where is the £350 million per week that was going to the NHS once we left the EU. Which coincidently made it harder to send asylum seekers back to Europe.

The cost for these asylum hotels has actually reduced per day in the last year. The government are sending people back and vetting them. But we won't hear about that because it isn't sensationalised in the news and doesnt sell.

Also I just needed to add, illegal immigrants can't get benefits. If they're illegal, they cannot work or be given anything by the government (if they are working its likely cash in hand or businesses are employing them illegally). Asylum seekers can get £50 per week. And cannot work. So literally can't pay back into the system even if they wanted to until their application is processed.

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Totally agree that there needs to be a whole shake up. I didn’t say housing illegal migrants has caused the mess this country is in. For sure, tax evasion, benefit scroungers, etc. need fixed as well. Our country is a mess and it is frustrating that we get taxed so much but there the hospitals, police, schools and councils are not fit for purpose.

My point was more to do with the fact that protesting against fascism is being muddled with something else entirely. Wanting tighter immigration controls doesn’t automatically make someone a fascist. Fascism is about authoritarianism, suppression of freedoms, and hatred. Equating that with people raising concerns about illegal immigration only confuses the issue and shuts down real debate.

FrippEnos · 30/08/2025 23:34

Teanbiscuits33 · 30/08/2025 23:26

It is not comparable, and I don’t care what you say. You do you. The so called ‘gammons’ wouldn’t get called as such if they weren’t such fucking losers with such fragile egos that they have to punch down on minorities to make themselves feel superior 😂. They have achieved fuck all of note so instead they stand outside hotels wrapped in flags and singing rule Britannia, breaking in and intimidating vulnerable people in a place when they are supposed to feel safe.

People should be proud of achievements, not where they were born which they had no damn control of, might as well be proud of being born at all 😂😂 But they have no achievements do they?, so ENGERLAAAAAND!! Is the only thing they can cling on to 😂.

That’s not ‘concern’, it’s intimidation and nationalism. ‘We’re paying for them to have everything!!!!’ What a laugh, most of them don’t fucking work to pay for themselves, never mind asylum seekers 😂

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And yet you still use a racist term to describe them when you clearly don't need to.

Teanbiscuits33 · 30/08/2025 23:37

FrippEnos · 30/08/2025 23:34

And yet you still use a racist term to describe them when you clearly don't need to.

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Neither do people need to make up complete bullshit or take things completely out of context, or stand outside of hotels to demonise and intimidate other human beings, but here we are.

lkjhgfdsa · 30/08/2025 23:41

MaxineHarper · 30/08/2025 23:27

Correct. If you do the maths, “late 40s” - “kid age” then you’d get 30+ years. I never said illegal migrants have CAUSED the country to be in its knees. But money should not be spent housing them when we can’t even support our own.

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Asylum seekers are paid for out of the ODA budget which is also for foreign aid. That is currently 0.5% of government spending so Asylum.seekers get less than that. The plan is to reduce that to 0.3%.

Welfare currently costs 26% of government spending.

I'm not sure that the impact of asylum seekers on the budgets is that big.

llizzie · 31/08/2025 00:49

Fascism does not exist in the modern world in the way it did a century ago.

The times are different. The world is different. Find another word for whatever eats up your insides, but that word isn't fascism.

Fascism has become a word for anything, anyone, doesn't like. It is not relevant to the world of today.

Someone called it out on TV last year and it has grown wings and flown everywhere.

This thread is full of folks who want to ''let them all in, poor things, give them a better life''. Has it anything to do with Trump withdrawing aid to other countries?

You elected a labour government. They don't want the migrants here either. They vowed to end the boats, smash the gangs, now talking about changing the ECHR, and when the PM announces anything, he does so before the union flag.

Is he fascist? Is Conservatism, Reform, who isn't a fascist? Ai describes the fascism that started over a century ago. It cannot describe fascism because it no longer exists. If you ask Ai who is a fascist, you will get the answer that Ai has not decided that.

The title of the thread is a misnomer, because the word fascism has no place in the world. It is a word which stokes up hatred which no one understands. It is like any other word which describes someone you hate or oppose. The thread would have more meaning if that word was not in it.

llizzie · 31/08/2025 01:08

Teanbiscuits33 · 30/08/2025 20:52

Gammon is a derogatory term, yes, but to claim it’s racist is just a way for white people to play the victim.

It not only minimises the very real and enduring discrimination and dehumanisation that minorities have experienced but it’s like DARVO. When people are retaliating against racist ignorance, they are made out to be the bad one to avoid the racist fuckwit having to take accountability for anything they said.

It started out as a humorous descriptive for bald, tragic, fragile, angry males coined by other white people. To claim they are remotely comparable is laughable and idiotic.

Minorities have been subjected to names and insults and abuse since forever, but the minute someone says something about a white man, ‘’WAAAHHHHH!!!! That’s racist!’’

Give it a rest 😂

A few years ago, a little girl being interviewed on TV said ''Mum gives in when she is fed up with our whinging.''

That word stuck in people's minds. It was appearing with monotony on interviews, conversations on the bus, cafes, People almost couldn't comment without using the word whinging.

Same with 'Oh my God'. That lasted longer than whinging, not as long as the chicken song, though. People got tired of hearing it, and it changed to ''Oh my days'' Oh my goodness'' or Oh my life'' and so on.

I hope we can get rid of this stupid word gammon, because hotel, restaurants and butchers will have to find another word to describe their menu and the gammon joints on the butcher's slab.

What terrifies me about this 'g'; word is that it might be masking an anti semitism insult. It could be aimed at muslims or Jews. The previous insulting word to these groups of people was 'pork' or 'pig' and it is obvious that among groups of the ignorant, they have brought out the word 'gammon' in the form of some sort of 'secret word' between them, and others have picked up on it, just like other words and phrases.

Will Webster's have to change the meaning of gammon? What about recipe books? Will they have to delete the word and think up another word for a joint of smoked pork?

WalkDontWalk · 31/08/2025 02:59

JustCantMakeMyMindUp · 26/08/2025 22:17

FYI … If you have to keep protesting that you’re not racist… then you probably are.

Does that work for everything? For fascists? For existentialists? For heterosexuals and cynics and romantics and intellectuals and idiots?

How does it work at all?

And if claiming you’re not something means you are, and presumably claiming you are means you are, then how does anyone ever get to say they aren’t something?

Or are you just talking crap?

Teanbiscuits33 · 31/08/2025 04:16

WalkDontWalk · 31/08/2025 02:59

Does that work for everything? For fascists? For existentialists? For heterosexuals and cynics and romantics and intellectuals and idiots?

How does it work at all?

And if claiming you’re not something means you are, and presumably claiming you are means you are, then how does anyone ever get to say they aren’t something?

Or are you just talking crap?

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I think you have to be wilfully ignorant to not know what this means, really, because I understood it instantly.

I have seldom, if ever in my life had to tell anybody I’m not racist, so if you catch yourself frequently feeling the need to tell someone you aren’t racist because you think they might think you are, then you are racist.

If you’re saying ‘’I’m not racist but…..’’ a lot, then clearly you are racist, and equally, if you’re find you’re getting called racist a lot and you have to keep claiming you’re not, then you are.

And yes, the same applies in other contexts. If, for example, someone felt the need to keep clarifying that they were heterosexual or that they weren’t homosexual then, naturally, others would think they were lying because it’s not a normal thing to keep having to say.

HTH.

FortuneFaded · 31/08/2025 04:47

I have a dodgy knee, so avoid crowds even if it means not protesting things I feel strongly about. I can’t run, in the event of trouble and I can’t stand for long. What I can do is donate to charities that align with my beliefs.

Oblomov25 · 31/08/2025 06:03

It's not unreasonable to have concerns about UK immigration. I dint think that makes anyone a fascist.

ToeKneeBeee · 31/08/2025 06:24

Thegreyhound · 30/08/2025 22:26

Apologies- 41% of the 899 protestors arrested in last summer’s protests had committed previous DV offences.
Not company I would like to keep. Certainly not people who care for women and girls.

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Good morning, thanks for the updated figures.

That's a very different figure than the 40% of ALL protestors, but evidently you've done another Google search and got the 'correct' figure, thank you.

I agree, domestic violence is the worst type of violence in my opinion as they are abusing the very people that we are supposed to protect. Like the poor guy that was getting beaten by his wife in front of his little girls on a daily basis, very sad, I'm guessing you've seen the documentary. I wonder if she was one of the 41% of the 899 protestors with DV convictions.

You're right, not company I'd particularly like to keep either. Definitely not people who care for our woman, girls, men and boys.

Perpetrators can come in all shapes, sizes and genders.

ToeKneeBeee · 31/08/2025 06:33

Teanbiscuits33 · 31/08/2025 04:16

I think you have to be wilfully ignorant to not know what this means, really, because I understood it instantly.

I have seldom, if ever in my life had to tell anybody I’m not racist, so if you catch yourself frequently feeling the need to tell someone you aren’t racist because you think they might think you are, then you are racist.

If you’re saying ‘’I’m not racist but…..’’ a lot, then clearly you are racist, and equally, if you’re find you’re getting called racist a lot and you have to keep claiming you’re not, then you are.

And yes, the same applies in other contexts. If, for example, someone felt the need to keep clarifying that they were heterosexual or that they weren’t homosexual then, naturally, others would think they were lying because it’s not a normal thing to keep having to say.

HTH.

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I get what you're saying, it makes sense, but sometimes in society people just feel an urge to defend their preferences as well. For example, somebody isn't attracted to people that are not the same race as them and they'll say "I don't date black people, I'm not racist though". No, you're probably not racist, in this particular instance you just have a preference which is absolutely fine but said people feel the need to say "I'm not racist". On the otherhand, I've known white people that will only date black people, again, not racist, just a preference.
BTW I was watching 24 hours in custody and that's where the quote came from :)

misoandchips · 31/08/2025 07:10

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me who are all these racists and fascists that people are protesting about ?

ElizaTh0rnberry · 31/08/2025 07:33

misoandchips · 30/08/2025 22:05

@ElizaTh0rnberry "Where is the £350 million per week that was going to the NHS once we left the EU. Which coincidently made it harder to send asylum seekers back to Europe"

That is incorrect.

The UK’s withdrawal from the Dublin System and the EU’s Common European Asylum System means that the UK is no longer required to take asylum seekers from EU member states, not even for family reunion reasons. During the entirety of its participation in the Dublin System, the UK did transfer out more people than it received but only by a small margin and with a pronounced trend of being a net recipient under the system since 2016

Thank you.

However, and please correct me if I've misinterpreted but, the Dublin agreement legislates that responsibility for asylum applications remains with the country of first entry in the EU.

Now we have left the EU, we are no longer protected by these rules? Therefore our borders look more appealing because its harder to just throw asylum seekers out as we have minimal return agreements with any EU countries?

Ultimately, there needs to be a look at the application process for asylum seekers. They're already making it harder for international workers and students to get in and stay in (I know people who work in international departments at universities and they've made it very clear its becoming much harder for international students)

I wouldnt ever trust Nigel Farage to fix the problem for us though. He just does a very good job of stoking the fires

Hedgehogged · 31/08/2025 07:56

RabbitintheHeadLamps · 27/08/2025 00:11

They’re the largest party in the polls in terms
of vote share and all of the constituency by constituency polls I’ve seen put them as the largest party in the next parliament. There is nothing that I can see happening that is going to prevent that, unfortunately.

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The thing to do is make sure you actually vote on 2029! Really p"sses me off when people "forget to vote" because they are doing something important like watching a Coronation Street double bill.
Not suggesting you are anything like this but please dont be so negative and resigning. This falls into NF and TR's trap to make people sad and seeing no point in voting, guaranteeing them victory. When the time comes, and it may come sooner if the government implodes, VOTE AND ENCOURAGE ALL RIGHT MINDED PEOPLE YOU KNOW TO VOTE.

Hedgehogged · 31/08/2025 08:05

TinyIsMyNewt · 27/08/2025 01:23

The "left" call Tommy Robinson a fascist for a number of reasons, but one of the more obvious ones is that he was part of the British National Party, a fascist organization. It is hardly a controversial thing to say.

And the problem with the immigration debate is that we are relying on it to paper over the cracks caused by our ailing birthrate. Even if nobody objected to high immigrations, its an unsustainable solution. We need to figure out a way to either boost the birth rate or revolutionize society.

The typical right wing (like the Tories), in particular, have no interest in doing this. For one, it's not good for business but - likely more importantly- it isnt good for them electrorally (because if we cut immigration the first thing on the chopping block will have to be the state pension, and that'd be suicidal for a party that relies on the support of older voters).

As to what Reform are doing, I have no real idea (I'm not certain they do either).

They're messaging is focussed on stopping the boats, and illegal immigration - which accounts for less than 5% of immigration. They've now put forward something of a plan, and it involves us saying goodbye to our human rights and leaving various international treaties. I, for one, would not want to give up my rights for very little gain, and I suspect that leaving all sorts of international treaties will have negative diplomatic and trade reprocussions for us. We'll be poorer, have fewer rights, and be an increasingly irrelevant little country.

I don't believe they'll cut legal immigration in any significant way but, assuming they form the next government, I guess we'll find out. If they do, then the poor and the elderly will take the greatest hit but my guess is that they'll do jack shit about cutting net immigration and then their voters will start whining about Reform betraying them, just as they whine about the Tories now, then will vote for the next snake oil salesman promising them a magic uniform.

Of course, none of this is helped by the absence of meaningul solutions from the Left, who are barely tinkering around the edges of the issue, but I don't think they're actively trying to fuck over the average Brit like Reform are.

I'm not looking forward to the Reform electoral win I suspect is coming, nor the dire consequences for the country, but I am just about petty enough to be looking forward at the look on Reform voters' faces when they realize they've been played yet again.

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Brilliant piece and I mean that! (one of our problems in UK society is we don't know how to accept a compliment).
Can I just however politely request that you don't make it seem like it's a foregone conclusion that deform will win because every time you do that it adds another few people who just don't bother to vote.🙏🙏🙏and this is a central theme of Nigel Facade's playbook I'm sure. "Get em depressed and resigned to fate".

Hedgehogged · 31/08/2025 08:15

xanthomelana · 27/08/2025 04:36

Another waste of police resources. If you think it will be peaceful and effective you are deluded and part of the problem.

Completely agree and it's deeply disturbing. Nothing in MSM presumably because HM gov has, correctly, embargoed advance publicity. THAT'S how seriously they are taking it, which should worry anyone with an ounce of critical 💬

misoandchips · 31/08/2025 08:24

@ElizaTh0rnberry "However, and please correct me if I've misinterpreted but, the Dublin agreement legislates that responsibility for asylum applications remains with the country of first entry in the EU."

That ^ was not quite correct.

The Dublin Regulation stated that the first member state where an international protection application was lodged had a responsibility to handle the claim.
This meant that there is not an obligation on an asylum seeker to make an application in the first safe country they arrive in, but if or when they do apply in an EU country, that country is obliged to take action.

So migrants are choosing to come here to apply for asylum after having passed through several safe countries.

BurlyShriggs · 31/08/2025 08:29

MistressoftheDarkSide · 29/08/2025 07:55

Oh God, will someone please correct this poster regarding the recent amendments around abortion and assisted dying? I'm losing the will to live.

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Why can’t you correct them yourself? Please look at the situation in Canada, where euthanasia for terminal illness has swiftly moved on to euthanasia for depression and mental illness. Look at how the UK bill was pushed through - significant medical groups were not allowed to give evidence at the committee stage.

Hedgehogged · 31/08/2025 08:29

Ponoka7 · 27/08/2025 08:28

My sister is a long standing member and does some organisational stuff for the NW meet-ups. She's ex SW management, from who I know there are ex police, religious leaders (in the background, but one or two URC clergy go), Union officials, adult ed tutors, medical staff.
I don't agree with all her views. I think both sides have got to stop branding each other as xyz and start to listen and address certain points. Farage is dangerous, his latest plans are going to fund and give the Taliban fighting fit recruits, it makes a mockery of every soldiers death in Afghanistan and it needs people who will listen to each other, to stop him.

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From whoM

Preposition + who = whom

For example: To whom should I speak about the forthcoming f*ckfest on September 13?

misoandchips · 31/08/2025 08:31

BurlyShriggs · 29/08/2025 09:28

Not Islamophobic, no more than many others should be called Roman Catholic phobic for criticising the Catholic Church and some of its adherents for failing to act on paedophilic priests.

So are you saying that paedophilia is a "Catholic problem" ?

Hedgehogged · 31/08/2025 08:35

misoandchips · 31/08/2025 08:24

@ElizaTh0rnberry "However, and please correct me if I've misinterpreted but, the Dublin agreement legislates that responsibility for asylum applications remains with the country of first entry in the EU."

That ^ was not quite correct.

The Dublin Regulation stated that the first member state where an international protection application was lodged had a responsibility to handle the claim.
This meant that there is not an obligation on an asylum seeker to make an application in the first safe country they arrive in, but if or when they do apply in an EU country, that country is obliged to take action.

So migrants are choosing to come here to apply for asylum after having passed through several safe countries.

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You are inadvertently peddling a common myth that Reform have caused you to believe. In actuality:

In the year ending March 2025, the UK received fewer asylum claims than Germany, Spain, France, and Italy.

This is a problem but it's a problem in several European countries. We must seek solutions but not play victim.

misoandchips · 31/08/2025 08:41

@hotelinfo "And yes, some will be purely economic migrants. But being an economic migrant is hardly equivalent to being a 'sleeper' or a sexual deviant ffs."

Check out the statistics for yourself

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/sexualviolenceintheukbyethnicity

then ask yourself why the government has been so reluctant to reveal this information

https://www.migrationcentral.co.uk/p/uks-first-migrant-crime-report