For thinking that the migrant protests ...

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Should be held at the council offices, Government departments, rather than the migrant hotels? After all, it's due to the government's lack of processing that the migrants are there?

It honestly seems as simple a situation as people just believing that criticising Islam = racism. I can't see any other explanation for it.

We've been told for decades that we 'must not be racist', 'must be tolerant of other cultures' etc etc. And rightly so because racism was much more commonplace a few decades ago.

However, that seems to have somehow turned into 'we will not challenge the actions of an ethnic group/foreign culture no matter what the circumstance'. And that doing so is racist. Yet nobody would bat an eye if it was the Catholic Church being criticised.

I'd like to think I'm wrong about this and truly hope I am, but nothing seems to be forthcoming to make me question it thus far.

It's nothing to do with their ethnicity aside from the fact that certain ethnicities are over represented in certain cultures (hence you often see people from particular countries perpetrating particular crimes).

It's the fact that we're a comparatively 'weak' society in their eyes so they know there won't be much in the way of repercussions. No floggings and certainly no hands being chopped off for shoplifting. And while they rule over their women with an iron fist ours make a mockery of us demanding equal footing in society and waltzing around in public in 'indecent' clothing without a care what random men in the street think.

It's just a colossal culture clash.

More data on sex crimes from foreign nationals in the uk.

Sex crimes by foreign nationals surge
Foreigners accounted for one in seven of sexual offence convictions last year, including rapes

The number of sexual offence convictions by foreign nationals has increased by 62 per cent in four years, according to new data revealing the scale of migrant crime.
Foreign nationals account for one in seven (14.1 per cent) of sexual offence convictions last year including rapes, according to the Ministry of Justice (MoJ) data drawn from the Police National Computer (PNC).

The rate of increase between 2021 and 2024 is higher than for British nationals, whose sexual offence convictions rose by 39.3 per cent over the same period, according to the figures obtained under Freedom of Information laws.

It’s almost as if they are carrying over the borders, their attitude towards women and girls

https://archive.md/FXpPY Archive link accessible for all

Yup, the most recent one I read was that around 70% of sexual offences in London are now committed by foreign nationals. Also from a FOI request.

And presumably that will be men who have arrived relatively recently. Not the Windrush generation or British Sikhs/Muslims/Hindus who are British citizens like the rest of us.

Yup, the most recent one I read was that around 70% of sexual offences in London are now committed by foreign nationals. Also from a FOI request

Care to link to the source of that 70% claim? Even Jenrick didn't claim that. He claimed 40%. That claim was sourced from the one man band that is the "Centre for Migration Control" aka Robert Bates a (surprise!) Reform activist.

Actually, I believe that 70% figure is mistaken. Having dug out the original thread I read it on the poster seems to have got it the wrong way around. It was around 25% of sex crimes but 71% more likely to commit them than UK nationals.

However, while looking for the original link I found the below article which was released in the last day. One in seven sex crimes are now committed by foreign nationals with a 62% increase in the last few years. Either way it's a situation that needs discussing.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/25/sex-crimes-foreign-nationals-surge/

The thing is, even as somebody who's fairly outspoken, it honestly still feels a bit of a taboo subject. Like, I'd never dare mention it in an office environment and feel a bit icky for discussing it full stop tbh. But that's likely the long arm of social conditioning. It's not something we should be silenced on. Especially not by the demographic most affected, which also seem to be the most dismissive of it.

What is it that feminists always say about VAWG? "If you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem." I've defo heard many a feminist say that if innocent men don't like feeling implicated in male violence then they need to stand up and challenge the bad men amongst them.

Where's that logic when the demographic is suddenly a cultural demographic rather than a sex based demographic?

Personally, I'm not really one for group culpability/sins of the fathers and all that stuff that's so beloved in identity politics. I've always been more inclined towards personal responsibility. But for consistency surely the good Muslims should be standing up against the wronguns in their midst and letting them know that FGM/forced marriage/honour killings/radical beliefs and general sexual assaults will not be tolerated? As feminists say of men "if you don't want to be tarred with the same brush then you need to speak up."

Why is this age old argument suddenly not relevant?

I do feel there is a much bigger culture clash with some strands of Islam than with pretty much any of the other big religions tbh. I remember a survey, pretty sure it was by the BBC, which found that over half of UK Muslims believe that homosexuality should be an imprisonable crime and almost half believe that a gay person should not be allowed to be a teacher. About 25% were in favour of Sharia law and 40% believed that a woman should always obey her husband.

There have been outrages and cancellings for far less polarising beliefs than this but educated people generally won't challenge an ethnic minority as it's just not seen as the right thing to ever do. The problem isn't ethnicity IMO, it's pervasive cultural beliefs that go unchallenged.

EDIT: Here's the abovementioned study. Only 66% completely condemned women being stoned to death which isn't a great figure to me.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/apr/11/british-muslims-strong-sense-of-belonging-poll-homosexuality-sharia-law

As much as I believe the UK needs to rake our share of asylum seekers - and by many measures we aren’t doing a great job; our problem now comes from the backlog of cases - I have no trouble with the idea of deporting anyone soundly convicted of a very serious or violent crime ahead of settled status. Obviously this includes VAWG. You forfeit someone else’s humanity that badly, back you go.

But this must be done in a calm, rational manner. Not an environment where false rumours take hold and asylum seekers are themselves vulnerable to hate crimes, false accusations and possibly unsound convictions. Such a policy does not work in an environment of hate. Reform could not be trusted with it.

I'm just trying to understand why you seem to be so keen to undermine ethnic women that go against the grain and speak out for women's rights. There seem to be plenty of other women in the West that don't like them getting above their station so you wouldn't be alone.

Rather than trying to turn this into a gotcha, why don't you explain why it so important that I like this one person who has appeared to speak on far right platforms which project 25 undeniably is.

Ask yourself why you are using one example to define an entire category. If all ethnic women that spoke out appeared on far right platforms, then you would have a point, but they don't.

Masih Alinejad is an ethnic woman who speaks out, yet doesn't feel the need for associations i find abhorrent.

You clearly admire someone who is happy to be associated with the organisation behind project 25, and that is great for you. But this is not the norm, and it's not someone I would like to emulate.

So to answer my question you disagree with her view that uncontrolled migration by men from countries with terrible human/women rights records is problematic? I mean, she would know having suffered FGM and almost a forged marriage.

And you say it's not the norm but Reform are in the lead right now.

Yes. The next UK government will be a Con/Reform coalition. And this will be Labour’s doing.

I agree Reform are the ugly end of the stick. However, their popularity is no doubt down to the refusal of many to acknowledge genuine issues. Just reading this thread it's clear how many people will happily advocate for those committing sex crimes against their own demographic out of some misplaced sense of political correctness.

What is so terribly wrong with telling violent men that they can't come here and continue with the grievous sexual and human rights abuses they commit in their own countries? Nobody has an issue with the well behaved ones.

If, God forbid, Reform ever takes power, Farage has got a hell of a shock awaiting him.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/farage-immigration-deportation-reform-law-b2813624.html

I prefer neutral sources.

You are imagining words that aren't there.

A lovely lucrative option for all of those lawyers. They’ll be ticking the reform box for sure.

Of course they will. Human rights lawyers are natural Reform voters. 🙄

Oh bless you blossom. They’ll vote reform for the cash flow. Not for any sense of political righteousness.

They wouldn’t need to. The cash flow is doing very well right now. Some people aren’t motivated by money anyway, difficult though that is to understand for those who are right leaning.

Not everyone puts money over everything else.

Some people have better morals and values.

Bless for not understanding this.

Don’t think so. I’m sure the human rights lawyers are making an absolute fortune fighting for people to stay in Britain

I’m pretty sure Farage has plenty of legal people advising him.

I don’t think he , or Reform, would be good for the country but people are “supporting” him as a way to protest again shitty Labour, and the other useless parties

I’m pretty sure Farage has plenty of legal people advising him.

If he has and they’re any good, he’d know about this. If it could be achieved at all it would take years.

This policy would require leaving the Refugee Convention, change your national domestic laws, which reflect the operation of the Refugee Convention, pull out of the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) and give the government through primary legislation essentially full powers to remove aliens who are regarded as being undesirable from the United Kingdom,”

Same thing

But how would she go about speaking at more left leaning events when they're so determined not to acknowledge these issues?

Even in this thread people seem much more interested in debating the integrity of those that speak up than debating the actual issues despite there being ample evidence that they exist.