For thinking that the migrant protests ...

[Ihateboris]

Should be held at the council offices, Government departments, rather than the migrant hotels? After all, it's due to the government's lack of processing that the migrants are there?

Really?

I can't remember if it was on here or on another forum, but someone posted a stat showing that around 40% of men arrested at asylum hostel protests had convictions for violence against women.

It's a bit rich for that sub-group of xenophobes to claim to be looking out for women's safety.

Racists are using VAWG in order to justify their racism and detract from their own VAWG. Your more likely to be standing next to an abuser at these protests, than not.

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/almost-half-of-people-arrested-over-ni-race-riots-had-been-reported-for-domestic-abuse/a1154568637.html

Bloody hell. Hypocrites, the lot of them

That’s a bit of a sweeping statement. Do you know any of these people? There was a protest in my town last weekend where lots of middle aged to older women turned up in support. The only person to be arrested was one of the immigrants showing his pen!s out of the window!!

You mean the one where protesters were holding a banner saying “kill em all”? I believe there was at least one other arrest at that one.

Asylum seekers receive an allowance of just under £50/wk, falling to just under £9/wk if their accommodation provides meals. We’ve all seen the horror stories about some of those meals. They have no rights to employment, bank accounts or certain levels of NHS care.

Street homelessness is complex and awful. Nevertheless all British citizens and permanent residents are eligible for a minimum of £316/mo in UC rising to over £400/mo at age 25, full NHS care, and the right to employment. Almost all of us may hold bank accounts. It can be a difficult devision, but all homeless British citizens and residents may use shelters.

Even busking should get you more than £7/day, the maximum asylum seeker allowance.

How do you see asylum seekers coming out ahead here?

You know this?

I don't know about where you live, but where I live the council have a system whereby you can report a homeless person and an outreach team will scoop them up and get them into some form of accommodation. There is absolutely no need for anyone to be living on the street here and yet people still do. It is often a choice. The reasons why people make those choices are complex and not easily addressed. It is not fair or accurate to suggest that nobody cares about the homeless.

It is a false dichotomy to suggest we either care for the homeless or for the asylum seekers. They are two separate issues and it is possible to care about both.

My ancestors could’ve written these exact words when the British came with the bible and invaded, creating division and lifelong impact that now sees people coming to Britain as economic migrants.

Student halls type accomodation would be better with individual rooms but shared kitchen etc, a type of campus which has a health centre, advice centre, English classes for those who need etc. Being in a hotel leaves them without anywhere to cook, with no facilities, and yes, just left to 'loiter' on the streets, which some people are understandably wary off, especially when it's groups of young men, it can be intimidating for single females, especially at nighttime.

The biggest threat to women and children in the UK is widely statistically proven to be white British men, mostly known to them too. You lose sense when you automatically equate immigrants to criminals.

I have been in the UK for over 20 years now and also a citizen, not on social welfare benefits with a hugely successful financial services career.

I have also in my early years worked in care homes and cleaned warehouse toilets employed by British pawned businesses - these jobs were easy to find too as non wanted to do them.

in my community, I know many who trained as nurses and in healthcare services that branched to owning care homes and such. This country offers opportunities and sometimes with extra drive, you can achieve so much.

sometimes it feels likes migrants are used as excuses for what some can’t be arsed to do for themselves

Exactly, some people just like an excuse to make drama and jump on any bandwagon. And this makes it harder to have a reasonable discussion around the best way to support both refugees and the communities where they are placed. If we don't acheive a good balance then the horrible Farage will gain ground which will be worse for everyone.

This is such a lazy argument. As though people have to suffer for the perceived sins of their ancestors. Every nation on earth has fought wars and sought to expand its sphere of influence, that’s not news. Economic migrants they may well be - which is a shame for them, but there’s absolutely no reason why Britain should either allow them or want them to enter.

Because the majority of the UK population is white.

And I wonder who did all these undesirable jobs you mention before we had large scale mass immigration? Could it have been the British themselves, possibly? Who would have thought.

I see what you mean about othering of people but it is not as if they are picking on our own population as happened in Russia or USA with the Cherokee and other tribes.
These immigrants chose to come here for whatever benefitted them. We gain no benefit. Our government did not invite them. Is it not right to challenge them?
Is it not right to challenge the government on it's handling of the 'problem'?

Have you heard of indenture?

A vast majority of migrants are here legally, for study or for work … we did invite them here.

…and don’t forget the Irish … plenty of us came to do the shit jobs others did want to do.

This guy really cares about women and children.

I don't want my taxes spent on illegals.

You can’t conflate legal immigrants with illegals and/or asylum seekers. That creates a nonsense discussion.

How do you think your tax is spent on "illegals"?

Genuine question because other than removal, I'm not aware of any so please educate me.

People who are over here illegally do not get housed, so not sure the point of standing shouting outside a hotel.

…and these crime figures people seem so interested in, crimes against women and children - are this very small, hotel loving group responsible for those?

The anti-immigrant groups can’t seem to tell the difference between people here with working / study visas, people who have overstayed, people here on family visas, people who arrived in boats, people who have been trafficked etc. They are all lumped together when it comes to crime stats

As I’m tired of explaining the difference between legal migrants, illegal overstayers and asylum seekers that no one reads, and anyway they find a way to make it irrelevant I had a thought instead about the ‘cultural issues’.
Poirot came as a Belgian migrant in WW1 - he was welcomed into the community and WI/local folk invited him (and compratiots, though we only see him) to tea, involved him in their life. Agatha Christie didn’t invent this, though she happened on the ‘right’ type of migrant I guess in today’s U.K. But Paddington Bear was also welcomed into the U.K. and we take our kids still to see the films or read them the books.
Our stories are part of our culture, the authors write in the time and space of their culture and in the above this is how British authors understood our culture, welcoming and integrating.
We did manage a good welcome for Ukrainians, so that’s good. This didn’t happen so much, and now not at all, for Afghans.
In the Windrush era we invited people in and then put them all in city/town slums - took a long time for integration then, but I thought we more or less got there. Now the same mistakes are being made (and worse) and the wrong people being attacked and we are regressing as a humane society.
Anyway, to answer the opening question I am sickened that some think it’s ok to attack other people for existing. It’s so abhorrent. And whether immigration should be handled differently or not attacking other people is not any answer ever. Write to the MP, vote differently, lobby parliament- if you must - don’t go attacking people. And honestly you should keep your kids as safe as possible from all potential predators - and that’s not limited to asylum seekers - they’re equally as likely to be in the crowd of protestors than in the hotel though. More likely if they’re in many names crew to be realistic.