For thinking that the migrant protests ...

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Should be held at the council offices, Government departments, rather than the migrant hotels? After all, it's due to the government's lack of processing that the migrants are there?

People who are over here illegally do not get housed, so not sure the point of standing shouting outside a hotel.

Where are they ? Who is being housed in the hotels?

The anti-immigrant groups can’t seem to tell the difference between people here with working / study visas, people who have overstayed, people here on family visas, people who arrived in boats, people who have been trafficked etc. They are all lumped together when it comes to crime stats

Wouldn't they all still be immigrants?

@ExtraOnions I don't think the ones who came here to study arrived via a rubber boat and the RNLI Taxi neither are they are living free in a hotel are they?
Those that study here. Will they return home. Surely a problem category is the overstayers. A million of them?

This. It's all for cameras and to intimidate refugees. Cameras all hoping for a glimpse of a brown person. Never actually makes anyone feel safer.

The issue I have with this argument, is that it inevitably totally shuts down the debate - its the equivalent of a thermonuclear warhead.

It’s also dangerous - look at the last US election - fears, found or unfounded, were ignored, and that delivered Trump.

I suspect that the current demonstrations might be more nuanced, beyond the loutish images.

If it was TOTALLY about the colour of their skin, why did they wait until girls were sexually assaulted before protesting?

I have a genuine question for anyone not opposed to mass immigration, whether legal or illegal, if anyone would like to answer. I’m not really seeing the end point… I’m wondering where people think this will lead us.

If you’re not opposed to large scale immigration - is there a point at which you think the UK will no longer be able to accommodate so many people? The country’s finances are bad way. We’re heading for a financial crash. How will we finance everyone? How will the welfare state survive? Where will all these people live? Who will educate them? Will the NHS cope? Will our infrastructure cope? How will everything be paid for? Will there be a point in the future when the UK stops immigration, or slows it down, and when might that be?

Culturally speaking - when people immigrate, they bring their values and cultural practices with them, some we dislike. Are we obliged to accept them and tolerate them? If so, why? Do you see the UK’s culture changing as a result? How much change is too much? Will there be a point at which the UK we knew has disappeared, and another country taken shape? In other words, do you accept the fact that the culture of the country as a whole will change - what if you yourself dislike it when this happens? Do you believe different cultural groups can be forced to tolerate each other, perhaps by political force? Do you accept that some groups will be negatively affected (young white working class girls/women, for example) but that’s the price to be paid?

I’d be very interested to know, and not in a goady way.

Were the homeless being housed in said hotels before the migrants turfed them out? Is it the homeless outside wanting their hotel back?

A concerned parent protesting today in Leeds.

Do you accept that some groups will be negatively affected (, for example) but that’s the price to be paid?

Can you expand on this please? How will young white working class girls/women in particular be negatively affected?

I’m referring to the rape gangs. But other groups of people can be affected in a variety of different ways. I didn’t say that group ‘in particular’ - I used it as an example.

What debate are you hoping for from the people in the hotel? You want them to come out and plead their case?

In my local area there were a load of protestors yesterday outside a hotel. They were posting on social media saying they were doing it to keep women and girls safe. The council later put up a post saying that the people in that hotel were mainly women and children and there were no single men. It is a Conservative council I might add.

Every group is negatively affected, if only by reduction in GDP per capita and quality of life.

I honestly do not understand the logic of your question.

I have no wish to debate with ‘people in the hotel’ - pending asylum seekers have not earned that right as they are not UK citizens. My point was - to play the R card is both lazy and often wholly wrong.

A previous poster tried to deploy that argument, and had their post removed by MN, rightly.

A growing number of people evidently have genuine concerns - that does not automatically make them racist.

My point was that in relation to the question of the thread - why are they at the hotel - it is because they want to see a brown face. If it was actually about debating they wouldn't be shouting outside where the terrified people are.

Correction - it’s due to the previous government’s lack of processing. The Tories were also the ones who came up with the idea of housing migrants in private hotels (presumably giving Tory supporting owners a nice chunk of cash).

@VaseofViolets we actually do better having people move here from abroad, economically speaking. Because the people coming are usually working age adults, who once they are allowed to work, do so.
People keep complaining about the low birth rate and who will pay our pensions - children cost a huge amount (NHS & education). It's much cheaper as a country to move people in who aren't going to drain our resources by being raised here.
The argument about 'we're a small island' isn't based on any actual logic/numbers/data. It's rich people telling us to blame foreigners if there is a housing crisis, instead of blaming the people who got rich by being landlords.

Separate issue, but anyone coming here on a visa route (eg coming to work) has to pay a set charge for the NHS and can't access benefits that a UK citizen would be able to.

I saw a TikTok yesterday saying:

“the way protestors feel about migrant hotels is the way rich people feel when affordable housing is built on their street”

which was food for thought

I would like them to be housed back with their families in their own homes. Not being trafficked around Western Europe by smuggling gangs, used as modern slaves in the Black Market.

There was no other arrests. And the flag that said kill em all is a British army special forces flag for those who don’t know. I believe the man was ex military

Around here, last night, there were protests. Most of them were normal mums and dads. I’m not sure what type of people you think they are. 🤷‍♀️

OK, I understand.

Presumably, it’s simply because these asylum seekers are based in local hotels, amongst their own towns and communities.

I agree there would be more effective places to demonstrate - if that’s your thing.

'Genuine concerns' lol.

That’s it.

The Pink Ladies look pretty inoffensive, to me…

So quick to dismiss.

There’s no laughing here - it’s far too serious an issue.