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Feeling pushed out of DGC life

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NannyJignea · 19/08/2025 19:36

Hi all, I have 2 children, my son is 25, he has 3 children a 5 year old and twin 3 year olds. Obviously he was young when he became a dad but he and his partner were always amazing parents.

In January he and his partner broke up, he’s a joiner but works for the council so not making loads and decided on a one bedroom flat. He has children every other Saturday night from 4pm and until 5pm on Sunday.
Now we only see the children for a few hours on a Sunday afternoon every other week. My son likes them to stay at his on the Saturday night.
We have asked their mum if we could have them the Friday before but she said no as they have tennis on a Saturday morning, we have offered to take them to tennis, still no. We have asked if we could even have them for dinner one night a week or fortnight - still no.

Mum works in a school nursery so she has said we can have the children on in service days, but otherwise we arrange it through our son.

I have asked our son to have the children all weekend every other week and they can stay with us on the Friday but he has said no he’s happy as is.

In addition to this, they have agreed the children will always spend Christmas with mum, so we won’t see them until Boxing Day. They also spent birthday with mum but she did invite us to their party on the weekend before and out for dinner on their actual birthday.

Tomorrow is our eldest granddaughters first day of school, we had the children today as it was in service day. When mum picked them up I asked if we could go over and see them off in the morning, she said no she just wanted it to be her the children and my son as otherwise they would be overwhelmed.

We bought our eldest granddaughter her blazer (which is stupidly expensive), lelli kellys and her school bag and coat, and nursery shoes, bag and coats for the twins. We always spoil them when we have them here etc.

Am I being unreasonable to feel it’s not fair how little we are seeing them, and that mum is being quite controlling?

OP posts:
EsmeSusanOgg · 20/08/2025 08:41

NannyJignea · 19/08/2025 19:48

It’s not nothing on a school morning when he has work at 8.30 and their school doesn’t have wrap around care

He can ask for flexible working. You also see the DGC when mum is in work/ in service days? It does not sound like she is being unreasonable. I wonder if the split is in part because he didn't pull his weight with childcare.

They seem to have a set-up both are happy with though.

PinataHammer · 20/08/2025 08:50

Why don't they do swap over at tennis on the Saturday morning? Your son/you could meet them there, be involved in their activity and then have the rest of the day with them rather than waiting until early evening? I'm presuming their mum drives? So pick up/drop off times are dictated by what she wants to do?
What's happening in the holidays is contact more frequent then? Or times your son is on annual leave?

Clareat2021 · 20/08/2025 08:55

No she isn't and what you are suggesting is massively overstepping the boundaries of both parents. Whilst it's great you want to see your DGC, you are not entitled to dictate when they come to you or cut into your son's already limited time with his children.

notacooldad · 20/08/2025 08:57

Tennis is in the town next to ours so we can take the bus. Their school is in a village so we would have to take the bus into town first then back out to their village for the school run.

That does not sound like an easy thing to be doing with young children, particularly in the winter.

That’s the reality for many people. Loads of families don’t have cars but still manage to do activities.

Hufflemuff · 20/08/2025 09:07

Why can't your DS pick them up from school Friday, sleep them overnight, take them to tennis Saturday morning (nothing stopping mum coming by too) then take them back to sleep at his Saturday and Sunday night and drop them at school on Monday every other week.

Yes I know work schedules blah blah blah... but if works not working with his kids, he needs to find something more flexible. With later starts on Monday and earlier finishes Friday and longer hours to compensate on the Tues-Thurs.

Mum is absolutely entitled to her full weekend. Why should she do all the donkey work then your DS (and you) get to be the Disney Dad? It sucks that you are being pushed out, but unfortunately its not up to the mum to schedule time and space for you and your feelings, its down to your DS.

Hufflemuff · 20/08/2025 09:09

notacooldad · 20/08/2025 08:57

Tennis is in the town next to ours so we can take the bus. Their school is in a village so we would have to take the bus into town first then back out to their village for the school run.

That does not sound like an easy thing to be doing with young children, particularly in the winter.

That’s the reality for many people. Loads of families don’t have cars but still manage to do activities.

Yes but why would you force children to do that shit when you do have a car? What happens if the bus breaks down or something. Youre stuck standing in the pissing February rain for over an hour. If I was the mum, that would fuck me off too.

notatinydancer · 20/08/2025 09:21

Alltheyellowbirds · 19/08/2025 20:23

Ok then, he needs to learn to drive.

The point is, there seem to be a lot of excuses for why son can only have his kids for one night every two weeks, but if OP wants more time with her grandkids then he needs to find a way to have them more often.

It isn’t for mum to have to arrange visits with her ex-in laws while the kids are with her. She has her own family to make arrangements for.

He can drive , it’s the OP who can’t.

julietteoubliette · 20/08/2025 09:24

It seems (rightly or wrongly given your son sees them so little), that he and his ex have arrangements that work for them both, and for the children, for now. Maybe it's not ideal, maybe he does need to step up more, maybe he needs to move closer, get a different job, a bigger flat, maybe the mum does want the majority of time for the extra CM (and if so maybe that suits them both), who knows. But it's relatively early days in their separation, perhaps they are still working it all out. Right now it sounds like the children have parents who are able to coparent decently without too much drama or disagreement, which is valuable. And imo your son wanting to have them on his own on his weekends not at yours, is a point in his favour - so many men try and slope that responsibility off onto grandparents and get slated for it on here.

Don't meddle. It doesn't sound like you are in a position to help out with the things that would actually help, like school dropoffs and pickups. So requesting additional time with the GCs is really for your own benefit, not for anyone else's, as it would just make the logistics more difficult for their actual parents and they'd have to give up weekend time with the children. And buying them things doesn't entitle you to additional time or to be present at their first day at school - both their parents are there together despite being separated which is the important thing. What if ex's parents wanted to be there too - that's way too many people!

hadenoughnows · 20/08/2025 09:24

Seabubbles · 20/08/2025 07:41

Plenty of people depend on Grandparents for Childcare - a lot. And yet they are also considered disposable and have no rights or opinions. They love the Child too!

Loving the child doesn't buy you rights. I'd say you have some rights if you've been involved enough to provide regular childcare though. I guess I'm off the hook then since I never relied on grandparents for anything.

hadenoughnows · 20/08/2025 09:27

notacooldad · 20/08/2025 08:57

Tennis is in the town next to ours so we can take the bus. Their school is in a village so we would have to take the bus into town first then back out to their village for the school run.

That does not sound like an easy thing to be doing with young children, particularly in the winter.

That’s the reality for many people. Loads of families don’t have cars but still manage to do activities.

That's fine if you have to do it via public transport. I always had to walk however far to whatever activities. Never minded. However, if it involves a much earlier start and taking the bus when someone has a car and doesn't have to do it that way, why bother? Just take the car and have a slower morning.

LegleEagle · 20/08/2025 09:33

NannyJignea · 19/08/2025 20:23

Like I’ve said, we don’t drive and it would be two buses and arriving very early (before the gates are unlocked) to be there on time.

Could you learn to drive, so that you could help with school drop offs and pick ups and then your son could have them during the week?

Cannongoose · 20/08/2025 09:41

OP - if you’ve offered to have the children and your son on Friday nights at your house and he doesn’t want to do that - because as you say he likes his space with them - then NOTHING you feel about the situation matters that much to him.

I’m not being cruel when I say the following but from your own posts..
He could take that Friday night (every fortnight) offer up, providing mum permits it, take them to tennis as he drives (presuming he has a car and car seats) and mum could join him there and he could spend the rest of Saturday (the every second week Saturdays) but the fact is it’s not the mother who wants to keep tennis to herself … it’s your son who doesn’t want to facilitate you being with the children. He could try to facilitate staying at yours but he himself doesn’t want that.

It wouldn’t matter if mum agreed to him having them on Friday nights - he wouldn’t be spending it with you.

Do you go to tennis? Have you asked if you can? Have you offered to assist in ANY way with the children since the split?

Seabubbles · 20/08/2025 09:42

hadenoughnows · 20/08/2025 09:24

Loving the child doesn't buy you rights. I'd say you have some rights if you've been involved enough to provide regular childcare though. I guess I'm off the hook then since I never relied on grandparents for anything.

Sorry I don't follow, genuinely. Off the hook from what? Grandparents?

OffTheHookAtLast · 20/08/2025 09:43

You are not the priority. Support your son’s relationship with his children. This must be really difficult for your son, his ex and the children. Do not put any extra pressure on the situation, which could ultimately make life more difficult for everyone. They’re not your kids, you have no rights to Christmas or any other day. Be grateful for what you get. Also, stop blaming the ex for everything. The example of the first day is a good one, it’s not about you and the mum
was being entirely reasonable.

Flossflower · 20/08/2025 09:55

OP, like all the others have said, you see your grandchildren on your son’s days, not your DILs.
I am a very hands on GP, but I think you are being too pushy and it won’t do you any good in the long run. The Mum and Dad decided who was taking your grandchild to school on the first day and you still pushed to go too. I have never seen grandparents do the first day of school thing. It is early days for your son and DIL working out what is best for their children and the children should come first so leave them alone.
Grandparents often help with the cost of things and you really should not have brought up this. Buying the school uniform does not entitle you to extra time with them.
Foes your other child live at home?

hadenoughnows · 20/08/2025 09:55

Seabubbles · 20/08/2025 09:42

Sorry I don't follow, genuinely. Off the hook from what? Grandparents?

My parents decided I didn't need grandparents. Nor did they do a day of childcare for me. So I guess I'm off the hook of feeling like they have any rights to my children.

Grandparents have privileges, not rights.

Ponoka7 · 20/08/2025 09:58

NannyJignea · 19/08/2025 19:48

He would! Mum doesn’t want him to, partially as she prefers having the children herself, partially because the less he has them the more maintenance she can get from him!

You have been called out on that comment, but skipped around it. Who did it come from, him or you? On the one hand you just want the Friday, but your son says no, on the other, she's money grabbing. She works and has three small children, she needs a routine while they are so young. So is your son using his annual leave to have them? Have you been able to have them over the holidays? Things will change as they get older. Is the distance doable on an electric bike? Could you progress to a Moped? How do the teenagers get about? It's perfectly understandable that she wants the hobby to be their thing, she's allowed quality time with them. Going forward it's probably more better to grab more time during the holidays and be prepared to just have the eldest. It doesn't sound as though your son could do what she's doing re care and work, so perhaps have some respect for her.

PithyTaupeWriter · 20/08/2025 10:05

Ponoka7 · 20/08/2025 09:58

You have been called out on that comment, but skipped around it. Who did it come from, him or you? On the one hand you just want the Friday, but your son says no, on the other, she's money grabbing. She works and has three small children, she needs a routine while they are so young. So is your son using his annual leave to have them? Have you been able to have them over the holidays? Things will change as they get older. Is the distance doable on an electric bike? Could you progress to a Moped? How do the teenagers get about? It's perfectly understandable that she wants the hobby to be their thing, she's allowed quality time with them. Going forward it's probably more better to grab more time during the holidays and be prepared to just have the eldest. It doesn't sound as though your son could do what she's doing re care and work, so perhaps have some respect for her.

100%, there is no way he could manage a job and three children. Any maintenance payments will be a drop in the ocean compared to what she pays for the children. As a PP said, what the CM payments will be getting him is top notch child care for 13 days out of 14, food and clothing for 3 kids and then some. He is getting incredible value for money.

JustAThought8 · 20/08/2025 10:08

NannyJignea · 19/08/2025 19:48

He would! Mum doesn’t want him to, partially as she prefers having the children herself, partially because the less he has them the more maintenance she can get from him!

You said in your post ( I have asked our son to have the children all weekend every other week and they can stay with us on the Friday but he has said no he’s happy as is.) So he wouldn't.

Limehawkmoth · 20/08/2025 10:42

Op, I can understand the issues on logistics. That’s an aside really.

the bottom line is that your son seems happy with then childcare arrangments he has. Both parents do. The only people who are irked by this arrangement currently is you. Because you’re not seeing your grandkids as much as you used to, or want.

i think you need to put it into perspective. You have had the privilege of being in your gc lives a lot to date…it sounds like a huge amount. That is a privilege, really. Lots of people simply don’t live close to their grandkids because people have to move to where work is . Whether the Gp ’s would like to have a closer contact with gc is irrelevant..it is simply not logistically possible. BUT it simply doesn’t the. Follow that these GPs don’t have close relationships with their GC.

also when divorce happens, it is a massive shock to the parents that their access time is split and they don’t get to see their kids as much. Your son has them just one night term times (reasons not relevant), of course he doesn’t want to loose that time by handing kids to you. Same with mother. Fgs, I divorced after 30+ years of marriage and my “kids” were adults living a long way from Home for work. It was a massive shock for me to realise that I’d see them even less than before, because their precious annual leave and weekends that they had free to visit parents, were now being split between me and exh. I simply didn’t think about that until post divorce. So, everyone has to come to terms with that concept that a massive change is happened, and whatever is agreed around childcare EVERYONE will see the kids less. And the priority for the kids , particualrly while they are still adjusting to not having mum and dad around jointly all the time, is to maximise time with both parents. Then siblings if that is an issue. Not anyone else.

You seem “stuck” in a mindset of not wanting to accept that change. You want to keep things as they were in terms of overall contact time (or at least maintain that frequent contact). It just isn’t in kids best interests, nor is it in your son and his relationship with exw interests to push this.

imho, you need to start thinking outside the box. Do the things that 100000 of GP do all across the world, which is to look at other ways to maintain a close realtionship even where you can’t have direct contact. Arrange with mum , if possible, that you have a FaceTime call with kids for 20 mins once a week. If kids are still young, offer to make that their bedtime story. Send kids random letters, pictures, postcards frequently….young kids get excited about receiving something in post…create a special “tradition” with them that is unique to yours and theirs realtionship (my MIL and FIL were excellent at this with stuff like sending Easter eggs for their Easter egg hunt, sending silly post cards they’d find in their home city, FIL following football teams my DSs followed and calling after each game to discuss…) . There are so many ways you can actively promote and encourage a strong relationship even if you can’t always be face to face.

Remember , they aren’t little children forever, once they hit teens they’ll probably want to hang with mates not go to grans house after school even if you did have access to see them, but if you’ve already established lots of things thst can be done remotely that’ll mean it can be kept going. And the skys the lint once they’re old enough to have phones. My niece and nephew have amazing relationship with their grandma who has always lived 250 miles away. They’re young adults and love her to bits. She’s 90 now. She made huge effort to use technology to do that, video calls, silly letters etc etc. my dc did same with their grandparents (my IlS , both my parents passed away far too young ) mainly through old fashioned snail mail and telephones, and they’d always have the kids for 2 weeks during summer holidays which was fantastic for them and us!

I’d also be very careful at comments re the mum. If you want a relationship, you need her trust and support to allow that to happen on her context time too. If she gets a hint you’re slagging her off (as you have here) , game over for asking for calls etc while there in her care. It is highly damaging to have that attitude, and completely cutting your own nose off. Reach to her to offer the gold dust that is cover for emergencies - emergencies happen all the time with families…kids get sick and can’t go into school at short notice , someone needs to go to hospital for that suspected broken bone and not want to drag other kid there for 5 hour wait, other childcare fallen through, teachers training days…all of these are options for the mum to call and know she can rely on you to step in with no judgements, grudges…

kindly, you need to accept that things have changed. You can’t turn back a clock. You may even find it helpful to look at “grief pathway” and understand a little about why you feel angry towards mum in this matter (the bitchy comment that she is only doing it for money is beneath you frankly - you can’t tell anyone what mum is thinking and feeling). It may also help you to understand that this huge change has impacted you too, and you need some time to emotional process the “new world” and accept it, and then make change.

look forwards positively. Use your skills to think outside the box on how you will encourage a close relationship in the new world there is now.

ihavespoken · 20/08/2025 10:46

OnlyMabelInTheBuilding · 19/08/2025 19:40

Your son sees them once a week for 24 hours, and you wanted to take away every other weekend from him, so they could stay with you?

This

OffTheHookAtLast · 20/08/2025 10:52

@Limehawkmoth such a good post

Seabubbles · 20/08/2025 11:01

hadenoughnows · 20/08/2025 09:55

My parents decided I didn't need grandparents. Nor did they do a day of childcare for me. So I guess I'm off the hook of feeling like they have any rights to my children.

Grandparents have privileges, not rights.

I respect your view and appreciate being able to debate in a healthy and adult manner. I obviously don't presume to know why your parents decided that, and it's your family's business. I just feel that decent loving Grandparents are such a valuable part of a child's life and that the OP is getting slated (son's attitude aside) for essentially missing her Grandchildren and struggling with the arrangements. Would people rather she didn't give a crap? Yes she comes across overbearing and needs to kick her son up the arse and show the mother some respect, but to say being a Grandparent is only a privilege seems cold. They are family too, not saying they should have rights but they have a lot to offer the child too.

Anxioustealady · 20/08/2025 11:04

Horsie · 20/08/2025 04:01

Well, the majority of grandparents aren't toxic and love their grandchildren. I don't know, there just seems to be a lot of tension between today's parents and grandparents, and it seems a pity when I consider how much I value memories of my grandparents now I'm 51. In the future, I don't think today's children will thank their parents once they are adults for keeping grandparents away. Then there's also the issue that today's children might absorb what today's parents are modelling and exclude them from their future lives and children, too.

My grandparents never expected to be at the first day of school. They had their own lives and respected that my parents were my parents. I think the problem is that today's grandparents are demanding too much and not giving their adult children any breathing space so they're being kept at arms length.

hadenoughnows · 20/08/2025 11:07

Seabubbles · 20/08/2025 11:01

I respect your view and appreciate being able to debate in a healthy and adult manner. I obviously don't presume to know why your parents decided that, and it's your family's business. I just feel that decent loving Grandparents are such a valuable part of a child's life and that the OP is getting slated (son's attitude aside) for essentially missing her Grandchildren and struggling with the arrangements. Would people rather she didn't give a crap? Yes she comes across overbearing and needs to kick her son up the arse and show the mother some respect, but to say being a Grandparent is only a privilege seems cold. They are family too, not saying they should have rights but they have a lot to offer the child too.

My parents just decided they wanted to live on the other side of the world. Could never afford to visit family, so I never knew them. Nothing more to it than that. I do feel the hole that never having had extended family had and has in my life more and more.

I agree that grandparents can be valuable and wish I'd known mine. However, difficult grandparents, where they exist, can't be surprised when they don't have access to GC.

None of that has any bearing on OP's situation, of course. In her case, it's her son who needs to get his act together with parenting and provide his parents with time with the GC on his time. It sounds like the separation is still working itself out though, and GPs are often sidelined in these situations until things settle down and a new rhythm can be found for the parents, then everyone else.

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