Marks & Spencers bra fittings and trans women - they've missed the point

[IdaGlossop]

A mother complained to M&S when her daughter was approached in-store by a trans woman asking if she could be of assistance. The daughter needed a bra fitting and was upset as she could see that the member of staff was male. M&S apologised.

Today, in response to the incident, M&S have announced that bra fittings are for biological women only. The solution to the mother's complaint is to not deploy trans women staff in the lingerie department! Banning trans women from having bra fittings discriminates against trans women and doesn't solve the original problem.

YANBU = M&S have messed up with this decision
YABU = Banning trans women from bra fittings protects biological women from being offered bra fittings by trans women staff

www.thepinknews.com/2025/08/18/ms-bra-fitting-trans/

Ooh, a scold... what fun!

Wow, totally changed my mind now after that rational and well thought out argument

Sometimes, you read something, and the 'every accusation is an admission' saying feels like it is a good fit.

Wow, this just reeks of misogyny.

Why do you hate women so much?

It's extraordinary

Excuse me for those cheap shots about wine and menopause.

The truth is, if you introspected even for one second, what you’d see would terrify you to the brink of insanity: a worldview so fragile it crumbles under scrutiny, propped up by denial and deflection. You’re not protectors of truth; you’re gatekeepers of stagnation, too scared to face a world that’s moved beyond your rigid binaries. Sorry Mabel, I had to say it.

Are you drunk?

wtf are you on about? 🤔

Men don't need bras

You're actually ridiculous.

And ageist.

And sexist.

And a poor writer. I'll take a guess, do you self publish shit novels by any chance?

And sex is immutable and binary. However much foot stamping there is by reality denying women haters.

Soz.

What, you want me to write an EL James passage for you? I got my point across. Bye.

Dude, isn't there an incel website somewhere which is missing your presence? Next time you leave the basement, maybe ask your mum to explain basic biology to you.

Ooh, I wonder what Jimbly's shit self published novel is called?

It's actually a shame Jimbly's post has been deleted. Remember folks, Operation Let Them Speak is always the best sunlight for widespread peaking!

The employee was walking past and asked if the teen needed any help as she looked a bit lost - you know - doing what any shop assistant should do. She was with her mum so hardly unaccompanied

*Handmaiden actually.

"Menopause and Malbec" perhaps?

What’s that saying? Every accusation is a confession.

Keep going - you’re coming through loud and clear. 👍

So you haven’t read the thread or any articles about it (apart from the one where the man claims he was the member of staff and did nothing wrong).

It appeared to him that the teen was on her own because her mum was not in sight and he apparently disappeared rapidly when she turned up. He approached the girl who was not remotely lost seeing as she was in the bra section with the aim of buying a bra. 🤷‍♀️

M&S policy is not to approach, this has been covered many times.

If he knew her mum was there why not speak to the adult then, rather than the child. Adult men should not be approaching children without good reason, especially in a lingerie department. The fact he had a skirt and lipstick on does not change that.
Safeguarding policies and acceptable behaviour are there for good reason.

Ummm.. you ok hun? Have you tried a nice cup of tea and a sticky bun?

Actually, it might be a bit of spoken word, open mic type stuff - beat poet style.

(Fingers clicking) Malbec. Men.o.pause. They scream....into the void. Children weep. Time turns.

(Blows out candle a la Charlie MacKenzie)

I am just so pleased that this is in AIBU and not hidden in the naughty corner 👏

Sure you are. I believe that you believe that.