To ask those who are not white brittish how they feel about the flags?

[PicaK]

Birmingham and Tower Hamlets are having St George England flags put up by privately funded groups.
I'm horrified by the implicit racism. I've seen a lot of white people applauding this and "time we took back the country" comments.
I haven't seen many non white people commenting. My feel is that they are too intimidated to do so. Am I right? Or is it indifference or is it that you're dealing with racism on a daily level and this is just one more thing.
Please don't post if you're white.whatever you feel about the flags. I want to hear on white viewd

And someone asked about the Union Flag - it doesn't have the same connotations. But as a Welsh person, it means nothing to me, we're not included, it's just a non-thing for me, it doesn't represent anything about Wales.

I am not white (and also not really British either as born overseas though I do have a British passport now). English flags don’t bother me one bit and no it’s not rascist but I do think plastering random flags about on lamp posts, in windows and so on is stupid regardless of the flag. That includes all the ridiculous Ukraine flags that appeared here a few years ago, which were then swiftly replaced by Palestinian flags in many cases, token activism at its best. Equating the English flag to Nazism is ridiculous though, sorry.

Of course she doesn't. None of us do. The op asked what people who aren't white thought. The poster shared her DIL's views.

Jingoism is defined ans extreme patriotism, especially in the form of aggressive or warlike foreign policy.
For it to be interpreted by you as the only reason for flying the flag does make it a “you” problem.

If you could accept that some white British people are just as proud of their flag because it represents our Country, as E.g. the Welsh are, then you may begin to see it a little differently.

England needs to reclaim its flag back: what better way than by flying it, whilst being welcoming to and tolerant of those who also choose to live here?

Because it is used by the far right and has come to be associated with the far right.

Possibly because they have been threatened by violent flag draped thugs? Or seen that happening on the TV? Just a thought.

My neighbour, who isn’t white, put up the England flag in support of the England women’s’ football team.

Again racism not jingoism.

I don't have any issue with the flag but I do tend to associate it with the far right and football hooliganism.

So the rest of us just have to let them have it do we ?

Non white here and this post says everything I was going to say.

It's slightly worrying the number of seemingly racism-illiterate people on this thread who apparently can't fathom how a flag could ever be linked to racism, as if it's never occurred to them before. "How can a flag be racist?". Context is absolutely everything.

I no longer live in England where i live they fly their flags with pride. I think it’s wonderful that love their country. I am happy to live here amongst those who feel pride! It’s a sense of community - I am not threatened by it, no one has made me feel like i don’t belong here or aren’t welcome.

A lot of homes on the main road have flag poles attached to their second floors - let them fly their flags.

I'm white, non Brit and adooore St George, my Christian Europe. I posted. Now eff off

This. How about we see the English & British flags on display everywhere, and ALL other flags removed. No reason we need the flag of any other nation, or political agenda on display in public spaces. These should be confined to private spaces. Sounds like a win-win.

Royal residences, military stations and ships, religious buildings etc have all flown flags of the nation for centuries.
Its not racist at all.

I visit the U S a lot, all govt buildings fly the stars and stripes as do many residential homes, I respect their proud patriotism.

Mixed race immigrant household and we actually talked about this at the weekend.
Don't see reason why Brits can't fly their flags. The only reason these are being taken down is because they are unauthorised, isn't it?

Re "but it's far right flag now😭" stop hand wringing. So is everyone's flag. Far right always waves their national flags. It's really only here people willingly stop using their flag because bunch of far right uses it (logically as it's their nation's flag, what else should they use?). Thinking like that means that basically no country could use their flag because they are all used by local far right nationalist groups...

Yes, but I think @Judashascomeintosomemoney is perhaps trying to say that Cappadocia wasn’t in Turkey when St George was alive, so he can’t be described as Turkish. I think he was actually Greek rather than Turkish, after doing a bit of Googling.

It's a shame they are flying them at half mast. It gives the impression they are a bit thick. Which I am sure is not the case.

I'd imagine they're being put up in reaction to and defiance of the proliferation of Palestinian flags, Pride flags, Pakistan flags, that we've seen in recent years. It's all just tit-for-tat and it's very tedious. It will become like Northern Ireland with areas marking territory with flags on lamp posts.

Agreed. No other nations flags should every be flown in another country, unless diplomats visiting, as a mark of respect.

@PicaK as a brown British born person, when I see flags put up as part of a specific celebration eg Queens Jubilee, war remembrance or sports event, I really like the sense of community and pride it creates.

On the other hand, when I pass through residential areas (usually deprived areas) and I see flags randomly flying from outside peoples bedroom windows, I do feel a little frightened as I sense them as more intimidating as it’s communicating a different message to my former example.

I'm white but French. I don't like the subtext either. The UK is not a country at war. People don't realise how lucky they are sometimes. I understand why the Ukrainian and Palestinian flags are being hung or raised in protests as they are conveying a message from victimised countries.
The UK is not a victimised country. I dislike the French flag being paraded for the same reason.
I think flags are ok if they're to celebrate a country's pride such as during football matches, or on a National Day such at St George/Bastille day and the Armistice days too.
They recognise the good in a country, and are not used as a defensive,dividing weapon.

St George wasn’t ‘Turkish’, for the simple reason that when he was alive, Turkey didn’t exist. It was part of the Roman Empire, and he was ( probably) a Roman soldier.

The Turks didn’t emerge onto the European scene until 14th century, about a thousand years after St George. Maybe check your facts before calling other people ‘thick’.

I think the red bit does (represent Wales)😂

Yes, he was definitely Greek - land boundaries changing after his death don't alter his nationality when he was alive!