About Gender neutral loo

[paulhollywoodshairgel]

I was in a museum today and my daughter (15) left me to go to the loo. She then waved me over.. she said to me.. I’d rather not use the gender neutral loo. I said that’s fine and sent her down a level to the ladies. A woman the approached me and preceded to tell me off for not encouraging my daughter to use the GN loo. How she has a trans child and how are they ever going to feel accepted with people like me around. I’m ND and I always second guess myself 10000 times a day. I wasn’t in the wrong was I?? I just said ok go and use the other separate loo. Surely my child can pee wherever she feels comfortable??!! I hate conflict so I just said ok and walked off!

None of her business where your daughter chooses to go. However this thread is going exactly how I expected.

Quick PSA to anyone reading - it’s MIXED SEX. Not gender neutral. We don’t separate loos by gender and nothing is neutralised in a mixed sex facility.

@paulhollywoodshairgel you have just found out that your DD’s role, in the one of a trans activist, is to be a support human rather than exist in her own right. Bloody well done for not allowing that woman to ride roughshod over your DD.

All these loos labelled gender neutral need to be called mixed sex.

Your daughter is not an emotional support animal for men. No woman or girl is.

You did the right thing, I wouldn't have managed to bite my tongue and would have told the woman where to get off, expecting your daughter to put herself in a vulnerable situation for the benefit of a man who has special feelings in his head? Fuck no!

Safeguarding, women and girls safety, privacy, and dignity are not things we should handwave away as "kind", in fact it is cruel and delusional to expect women to do this.

Don't ever second guess yourself over this issue, you listened to her discomfort and reinforced to her that it was fine to use the single sex toilet it really is absolutely normal not to want to be in a state of vulnerability and undress if there are males present!. You kept your daughter as safe as possible - which means not encouraging her to erode her boundaries in service to men.

Your daughter can use either the ladies or the gender neutral and she chose the ladies. That is her choice and it should be respected. You did nothing wrong but some people will pick fights over nothing.

I was in a museum recently and there was a queue for the ladies. Someone pointed out that there were gender neutral loos with no queue. Not a single woman moved to use the gender neutral loos. They'd rather queue.

What a weird encounter. Did you go into the loos?

Don't worry you handled it perfectly. No point getting in to an argument with people like that.

How bizarre the woman intervened but you did the right thing.

It’s not very healthy to encourage your kids not to have boundaries of personal privacy.

Your judgemental comment on OPs daughters boundaries is not required.

Do you mean that the majority support the daughter right and boundaries to have a female only space and the odd unreasonable person with questionable boundaries objects?

Yes, sounds about right.

A woman the approached me and preceded to tell me off for not encouraging my daughter to use the GN loo. How she has a trans child and how are they ever going to feel accepted with people like me around.
That's so weird. I'd never send my daughter into a mixed-sex loo, the stats say they are much more dangerous for women and girls. Your kid has the right to use the facility that keeps her safe.
This "trans" stuff is making us all less safe and more worried.

I can see the benefits of having a gender neutral bathroom but provided seperate sex bathrooms are also available so everyone is accommodated for and women still have a safe and private space if they feel that better meets their needs. There was zero need for this woman to confront you on this.

Well done you! Your daughter is lucky to have you in her side. Too many people have no regard for the privacy or dignity of young girls and we need to push back.

Slightly off topic but was this the science museum by any chance? I was there recently, top floor getting ice cream, needed the toilet and the ones there had men and women exiting. No way was I using them so I had to traipse around searching other floors for the womens. I was quite suprised.

The woman is seeing persecution / hate / phobia / intolerance where there isn’t any. It must be exhausting. Your daughter is a girl, doesn’t have gender dysphoria and doesn’t want or need to use a unisex toilet. End of. Astonishing that the mother thought she could actually have any sort of say in this.

I too was wondering if it was the Science Museum - I went to enter the ladies there and two blokes came out, one zipping up his flies! It felt awful that they had changed them to be mixed-sex, no notice or consultation. We were confused, and my friend was quite anxious. We couldn't enter, so we left and held on for quite a while till we found more toilets.

Oh my God, where the hell did you find a camera in a loo? And what do you mean they wee all over the floor??? They don't! You can say what you want to say, but when you use such silly unfounded arguments, it defeats your point.

OP 'pee' is a horrible word. Only one better than 'piss'

As to where to go, individual cubicle loo is fine

OP your daughter can use whichever toilets she is comfortable with. Is crazy that someone would confront you over her choice of toilet. Where do you guys find these batshit people? I never come across one like that. Mind your own buisness what the hell is wrong with people!

Until you've cleaned women's loos and men's loos, as I have, you don't know what you're talking about. I know which ones I had to double mop.

Women who won't sit on the seat wee all over the seat and the floor and don't wipe the seat afterwards. Maybe men do similar but mess is an exclusively male thing

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/women-spy-cameras-hidden-public-places-peeping-toms-a8689626.html

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/mums-horror-daughter-finds-hidden-34343316

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woman-flees-screwfix-stores-toilet-34933518

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/danger-banned-every-mcdonalds-merseyside-32141563

first few results from a google search sorted by most recent, these are within the last few weeks.

Listen, my husband is man. He never fricking weed on the floor. You can't use the word men do this ir do that because is simply not true. By the way, some women are horrible as well, not once I found used tampons on the side of toilets or on the bins coz they can't be bothered to dispose of them properly. If I used the term women are dirty woud you think this is ok? No, so stop generalising is stupid. Plus if toilet is dirty is the facilities fault they should be cleaned regularly.

Also man pee standing, women sit down. If women would pee standing I bet you my last penny there would be the same issues. Some people are dirty buggers some are don't, no such thing as men and women.