To think that, under the threat of "Let the war begin", there should be specific laws against male's entering female private spaces (and vice versa)

[SingleSexSpacesInSchools]

After being told they will not be allowed to enter female toilets, changing rooms, clubs and other private sexed spaces, men have vowed to "fight" or be arrested “multiple times”

https://archive.ph/tdkd0

"Let the war begin. Fingers crossed. You need to fight for all of us globally. It’s a war."

I think it is reasonable to have a specific crime for this sort of violation of rights and privacy, rather than Outraging public decency, Voyeurism, Exposure/ indecent exposure.

It seems clear that without firm dealing with, men are going to violate these spaces again and again.

Tripling down is not a good look.

It sounds to me like you can't even engage with the reality of women like my friend existing and the fact that you made that post all about you is really quite something.

This what I mean about I don’t get into ‘my horror trumps yours’. Are we all supposed to put our special horror trump cards on the table and see who wins? no winners there.

What’s YOUR position. That’s all this is about. Not my friends, not theoretical perfect victims. Our positions

I especially don’t care what your husband thinks I’m sorry

My position is that women deserve the right to maintain their own boundaries and their own single sex spaces. No dispensations for special groups of men.

You keep telling us you 'don't care', but why is this relevant to the debate when women who 'don't care' can use unisex facilities?

@RedToothBrush

I agree that nobody (well, hardly anybody) is that dense.

But as it turns out there are a frightening number of people who are cowards, weak minded, gullible & who think there’s a medal, for joining in the lie & delusion that there is a sacred caste of men who are magically women.

So you arrive at the ladies changing rooms at the same time as my teenage daughter and a man who calls himself a woman.

Do you
a) see her worry and as the adult in the room tell him to get out,
b) ignore her and invite him in regardless because you’re not bothered
or
c) pretend you can’t see him as he walks in and let him crack on?

It was weaponising women’s trauma in an argument about trans people yes. Wasn’t me that did it tho

Wow. Sicko.

Quick question. Do you see yourself as the sort of woman who would have supported the Suffragettes 100 years ago or fought against them?

Women want single sex spaces for lots of reasons. Privacy, dignity, and safety.

I most of all wish that women like you would acknowledge that women have a right to a single sex space without having to reveal past difficult experience.

'Weaponising trauma' is possibly the single most callous phrase I can think of.

As I’ve repeatedly said, I’m not engaging with any kind of ‘I know xyz about women’s trauma because of xyz’. We cannot have our arguments be settled by who has suffered the most.

I’m just happy to invite trans women into the ‘women’ club. I don’t see a problem with that

Jesus can you not see how self centred you come across here?

It's not about your little power play on the internet.

It's about a real woman, that something terrible happened to, the effects of which have stayed with her and her need for space away from males

And you don't have one iota of sympathy for that woman. You're just mad at her for disrupting your narrative 🙄

Remember the time when it was fashionable to listen to / respect women's stories and support their needs? Feels like so long ago now, doesn't it?

Women don’t need to play horror top trumps, as you put it. There’s no sliding scale as to why it’s more or less suitable for one man to come in than another. Or that a man can come in if the woman inside is cool about his presence.

Stonewall played that hand, and tricked people pretty well for a while. Fortunately the adults are back in the room, the SC has made its ruling. So it’s no longer a game of roulette as to whether a woman will find a boundary transgressing man in her female space.

Obviously law breakers like you will still be trying to welcome them in. Let’s see how that works out for you.

Why would you invite men into a women's club, when you know that will cause issues for other women?

If you want to hang out with men, there are mixed sex spaces to do that.

@Inchworms your recent posts are awful!

You don't appear to have any compassion for vulnerable women who have been traumatised at all.

Do you not give any thought to safeguarding, or why we have single sex spaces and rights for women at all?

If you don't care about any of the women who have suffered from male violence, I'm sure you don't care about women from conservative religions either.

You say you don't really care about a lot of things, you also say you don't really know a lot about some things we've been discussing. Why are you here then?

You only seem to care about those men with special (but unprovable) feelings in their heads, and you are trying to argue that they should be included in women's spaces etc regardless of the the detriment to a large portion of women.

That's misogyny.

When you quadruple down you don't get this as a defence anymore.

They've actively persisted and repeatedly said that women are playing competitive trauma WHEN We DIDN'T EVEN RAiSE THE SUBJECT on this thread in this context.

They could have just dropped the point. But no.

It's deliberate to shock, outrage and being as offensive as possible.

There is no need and no excuse.

It's not just about safety anyway. It's about dignity and the right for females to be away from male bodies at certain sensitive times.

We se e this pattern repeatedly by transactivists. They raise the safety element whilst saying how dare you suggest trans people are dangerous (when it hasn't cropped up in that conversation) in order to deflect from the simple right to privacy and dignity of women. Because that one is more difficult - whilst demanding privacy and dignity for transpeople. That's the point EVERYONE is entitled to it, but it's not possible if males and females mix...

All these deflections to control the narative are interesting to watch. If it happens you remind and return the conversation to points like nurses NEEDING to know sex for catheters not for the sake of women but for the sake of transpeople themselves. Their OWN safety and protection relates on visibility of sex in practical AND legal terms.

But nope. Women weaponising trauma.

But you, a clearly privileged woman, want to take decisions on behalf of much more vulnerable women and disregard their needs.

Why would you think you get to do that?

It’s me, your daughter and a trans woman yeah?

How old is your daughter, and where in the UK are we? I’m not being creepy, there’s a difference between 12 and 17 and between London and a small town in Herefordshire

This is good it’s like choose your own adventure. Also, the trans woman, paint me a picture, has she come in in a bikini tossing hair or like in a towel and goggles around the neck vibes

In all these conversations it's so often forgotten that many many MNetters are fighting because they see harms to loved ones and they wish to protect them.

The narrative that woman is challenging out of love and because of her own lived experience never gets a mention.

It's always about us hating.

That needs to change.

An important point

Golly that’s a question. I come from
women who won before the UK suffragettes did

He was at the sinks when I came out, masturbating against them. He was about fifty and wearing a cheap wig and lipstick.

That enough of a picture painted for you?

I don't know why I'm bothering, you've already said you don't give a fuck.