To think that, under the threat of "Let the war begin", there should be specific laws against male's entering female private spaces (and vice versa)

[SingleSexSpacesInSchools]

After being told they will not be allowed to enter female toilets, changing rooms, clubs and other private sexed spaces, men have vowed to "fight" or be arrested “multiple times”

https://archive.ph/tdkd0

"Let the war begin. Fingers crossed. You need to fight for all of us globally. It’s a war."

I think it is reasonable to have a specific crime for this sort of violation of rights and privacy, rather than Outraging public decency, Voyeurism, Exposure/ indecent exposure.

It seems clear that without firm dealing with, men are going to violate these spaces again and again.

I've heard of this too, it's fascinating!

I am saying that being trans is a type of psychological experience/ mental process / condition, which has a biological /
physiological underpinning (like hunger or sexual desire or phantom limb pain!’). To be trans is to experience/ know/ recognise / be aware of oneself as being female, despite being registered male at birth.

Yes it’s a type of cognition, but not the type of cognition akin to a philosophical belief which is a very different type of cognition,

I understand this may sound complicated- it is! You need to think about it . I’m sorry about that, but it’s really not my fault!! 😅

And yet most of us know trans people, have them in amongst our family and social circles.

It's not that we don't have human connections or in most cases empathy.

It's that we also know sex is binary, immutable and in some aspects of life, extremely important. And no bio-psychological state, self perception, philosophical belief, or whatever sophistry we're using today can alter that fact.

Happy to chat in good faith.

Women on here are not going to be swayed by making arguments with more 'empathy', though. We're looking for reason, logic, consistency, evidence, and plausibility.

Slogans and statements aren't enough to persuade.

We're looking for reason, logic, consistency, evidence, and plausibility.

well this is sincerely what I am trying to provide.

Aaand my irony meter just exploded 😂😂😂

I do wish you would stop saying 'registered at birth', @Tandora . Sex is observed and recorded. It is a factual state of being. Female or male, no third option.

"Registered at birth" makes it sound like an administrative error, like in the Algerian boxer's case. I suspect that's why you use it, to diminish the importance of sex to a silly little tick box on a form rather than the most significant aspect of a person in terms of how their physical life will go.

Sex is not an administrative issue, sex is observable, identified and recorded.

That a trans person feels differently about themself doesn't change the truth.

I prefer “registered at birth” as it refers to a concrete , objective event. So I think it’s the most objective way to describe it (at least in countries with birth registration!)

However, I am also comfortable using “observed” at birth, although this terminology is more ambiguous/ subjective- as it begs the question “observed by who? And when , where, how?” Etc. registered has none of this ambiguity,

Sex is very often observed in utero. And that is recorded. That's a concrete, objective event.

Yes you could say sex observed in utero in many cases, but as a general statement that wouldn’t work as very often sex is not observed / known in utero, or it’s observed “wrongly” and then the record/ observation changes at birth.

Exhibit A

Arabella said
Women on here are not going to be swayed by making arguments with more 'empathy', though. We're looking for reason, logic, consistency, evidence, and plausibility.

Tandora replied
We're looking for reason, logic, consistency, evidence, and plausibility.
well this is sincerely what I am trying to provide.

Except as you point out, Tandora goes on about how sex is registered at birth (as if you can change it) and how we all should accept gender because it's all about the feelings of someones inner self and how we should be more sympathetic to it and are being ignorant blah blah blah and if we were more educated...

You can't be educated on the feelings of someone else. It's not like a thing you can learn from a book. You CAN only empathise!

Except it's a load of old bollocks which offers no mutual respect or empathy to women..

Tandora you can not-very-subtly imply that I am stupid all you like, you don't upset me with this sort of tactic. It is also obvious to most people in this thread that you keep trying to frame others as lacking in intelligence.

I'm not the brightest bulb in the box, I'll be the first one to admit, but I am certainly not stupid and it's amusing to me that you keep trying to frame me and others here in such a way when your posts are always the one lacking any consistency, logic, but are filled with pseudo intellectual guff.

You did it again, you've given another bunch of perfectly understandable words in a legible paragraph, and yet unsurprisingly it is full of ambiguity again.

I find that one of the marks of great intelligence in other people is the ability to convey knowledge of even complex matters. Why don't you really stretch that gargantuan intellect of yours and give it a go.

I don't prefer it.

Why do you get to decide?

Why are you the gatekeeper.

Plus even if it's registered incorrectly, your sex can never actually change now can it? Cos sex is not gender and trying to confuse the two by conflation is an act of dishonesty in its own right because it's a deliberate attempt to blur boundaries.

The answer is no.

Sex is not gender.

I’m not calling you stupid. you keep accusing me of using “word salads” and trying to be deliberately confusing or ambiguous (for deceptive/ malicious reasons). I’m simply explaining in reply that this issue is complex, I’m trying to explain it as simply as I can, but it is going to involve some thinking on your end. I can’t help that!

Why do I get to decide? Errr because I’m the one typing out the post, so it’s my prerogative to consider how I chose to phrase things surely? I’m responsible for my own words am I not? .
I prefer to be as objective and precise as possible in my use of language.

Why?

If you come out with nonsense we think is word salad, why can't we call it that?

You can call it that and I can explain that it’s not, it’s just complicated and you do need to think about it. 🤷🏼‍♀️

Very complex topics can be explained clearly, logically, straightforwardly.

That's not what you are doing.

but it is going to involve some thinking on your end. I can’t help that!

And again, the implication is that I am too stupid or lazy to be able to follow along with the joined up thinking, instead of the reality that your posts are deliberately ambiguous.

Which again is really very amusing since Tandora performatively misunderstands or pretends not to understand other posters perfectly sensible, logical and clearly understandable posts.

So in many cases, sex is observed in utero, and confirmed at birth. Otherwise, it's observed at birth.

Great, Tandora, we are finding things to agree on! Keep going!

Why can't you just say Sex?
That would be more honest and objective.

Seeing as we have all agreed no one can change sex and it is constant from conception to death.

That would be the logical step. Whether it's observed in utero or at birth, sex is immutable. We all agree on that, yes?

No they are not deliberately ambiguous. They are as simple as I can make them.

Uh-huh...