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To think that, under the threat of "Let the war begin", there should be specific laws against male's entering female private spaces (and vice versa)

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 08/08/2025 14:46

After being told they will not be allowed to enter female toilets, changing rooms, clubs and other private sexed spaces, men have vowed to "fight" or be arrested “multiple times

https://archive.ph/tdkd0

"Let the war begin. Fingers crossed. You need to fight for all of us globally. It’s a war."

I think it is reasonable to have a specific crime for this sort of violation of rights and privacy, rather than Outraging public decency, Voyeurism, Exposure/ indecent exposure.

It seems clear that without firm dealing with, men are going to violate these spaces again and again.

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Tandora · 11/08/2025 14:36

BundleBoogie · 11/08/2025 14:35

So women that choose to use unisex facilities are not living as women?

Does that include disabled women who have to use unisex facilities?

I think some people on this thread need to take some basic classes in logic.

ArabellaScott · 11/08/2025 14:37

I reckon I could find some common ground with almost anyone. If you genuinely are averse to finding anything at all that you agree with with another person, I suggest gently that you are perhaps operating from a tribal viewpoint, rather than a rational, logical, and thoughtful one.

RedToothBrush · 11/08/2025 14:37

Tandora · 11/08/2025 14:35

No being trans and trans healthcare has nothing to do with homophobia and sexism. Quite the opposite.

Is that your best rebuttal?

Want to try again with a response longer than two lines explaining how?!

ArabellaScott · 11/08/2025 14:39

I like big rebuttals, I cannot lie

BundleBoogie · 11/08/2025 14:39

Tandora · 11/08/2025 13:47

Aha but this is where all your assumptions about transness are wrong. Read some scientific literature.

This would be a really good point to provide a link to an excellent scientific paper that backs your point.

As you have pointed out there are a bazillion ‘scientific’ papers on this topic out there. If you were trying to convince us with facts, wouldn’t you have a great paper to hand, a ‘favourite’ maybe, that explains it all clearly? After several days of reading your posts on here I’m none the wiser.

Tandora · 11/08/2025 14:39

ArabellaScott · 11/08/2025 14:37

I reckon I could find some common ground with almost anyone. If you genuinely are averse to finding anything at all that you agree with with another person, I suggest gently that you are perhaps operating from a tribal viewpoint, rather than a rational, logical, and thoughtful one.

lol: I love the pose you are adopting all of a sudden

PestoHoliday · 11/08/2025 14:40

Tandora · 11/08/2025 14:25

Of course they are not, that’s not the point 🤦🏼‍♀️😂.

this is such a waste of my time

and allowing them to use basic facilities for people with both limbs

It was your god damned analogy!

If you make spurious analogies that don't hold up, it's not we who are wasting time.

Trans people cannot be accommodated in the single sex facilities and categories of the opposite to their birth sex without profoundly disadvantaging the actual members of that sex class.

Data become tainted for the purposes of planning, policy and decision making. Health data are corrupted. The privacy, safety and dignity of the intended cohort of single sex spaces is damaged. Safeguarding standards are disregarded. Women in particular are disadvantaged because of the physical advantages of male bodies and the cultural advantage of male socialisation. Women self-exclude or are increasingly isolated when unable to access single sex spaces.

One trans identifying man attending a women only swimming session means every single woman in attendance has been denied the single sex exercise she was promised.
In my local leisure centre the Muslim women who joined us every Wednesday lunchtime stopped coming because one transwoman insisted it was his right to participate. That is not a "reasonable accomodation", that's a land grab.

ArabellaScott · 11/08/2025 14:40

PestoHoliday · 11/08/2025 14:40

and allowing them to use basic facilities for people with both limbs

It was your god damned analogy!

If you make spurious analogies that don't hold up, it's not we who are wasting time.

Trans people cannot be accommodated in the single sex facilities and categories of the opposite to their birth sex without profoundly disadvantaging the actual members of that sex class.

Data become tainted for the purposes of planning, policy and decision making. Health data are corrupted. The privacy, safety and dignity of the intended cohort of single sex spaces is damaged. Safeguarding standards are disregarded. Women in particular are disadvantaged because of the physical advantages of male bodies and the cultural advantage of male socialisation. Women self-exclude or are increasingly isolated when unable to access single sex spaces.

One trans identifying man attending a women only swimming session means every single woman in attendance has been denied the single sex exercise she was promised.
In my local leisure centre the Muslim women who joined us every Wednesday lunchtime stopped coming because one transwoman insisted it was his right to participate. That is not a "reasonable accomodation", that's a land grab.

Women are the ones who lose out, every time.

ArabellaScott · 11/08/2025 14:41

Tandora · 11/08/2025 14:39

lol: I love the pose you are adopting all of a sudden

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Tandora · 11/08/2025 14:41

PestoHoliday · 11/08/2025 14:40

and allowing them to use basic facilities for people with both limbs

It was your god damned analogy!

If you make spurious analogies that don't hold up, it's not we who are wasting time.

Trans people cannot be accommodated in the single sex facilities and categories of the opposite to their birth sex without profoundly disadvantaging the actual members of that sex class.

Data become tainted for the purposes of planning, policy and decision making. Health data are corrupted. The privacy, safety and dignity of the intended cohort of single sex spaces is damaged. Safeguarding standards are disregarded. Women in particular are disadvantaged because of the physical advantages of male bodies and the cultural advantage of male socialisation. Women self-exclude or are increasingly isolated when unable to access single sex spaces.

One trans identifying man attending a women only swimming session means every single woman in attendance has been denied the single sex exercise she was promised.
In my local leisure centre the Muslim women who joined us every Wednesday lunchtime stopped coming because one transwoman insisted it was his right to participate. That is not a "reasonable accomodation", that's a land grab.

I respectfully note that the problem here is you misunderstood the analogy and what an analogy is/ does.

RedToothBrush · 11/08/2025 14:43

Anyone remember how far the cigarette companies went to ensure no one knew that smoking killed?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/08/2025 14:48

BundleBoogie · 11/08/2025 14:39

This would be a really good point to provide a link to an excellent scientific paper that backs your point.

As you have pointed out there are a bazillion ‘scientific’ papers on this topic out there. If you were trying to convince us with facts, wouldn’t you have a great paper to hand, a ‘favourite’ maybe, that explains it all clearly? After several days of reading your posts on here I’m none the wiser.

Exactly, please let’s have your fave @Tandora - don’t you want to convince people?

Tandora · 11/08/2025 14:48

RedToothBrush · 11/08/2025 14:43

Anyone remember how far the cigarette companies went to ensure no one knew that smoking killed?

Being trans does not kill: people can be trans and live healthy; happy and fulfilled lives.

There’s nothing wrong with being trans it’s just different to you. Being different to you is ok. We don’t all have to be the same.

borntobequiet · 11/08/2025 14:49

Tandora · 11/08/2025 14:36

I think some people on this thread need to take some basic classes in logic.

Edited

This is funny too.

borntobequiet · 11/08/2025 14:50

Tandora · 11/08/2025 14:41

I respectfully note that the problem here is you misunderstood the analogy and what an analogy is/ does.

Edited

This too.

BeKindWisely · 11/08/2025 14:50

ArabellaScott · 11/08/2025 14:39

I like big rebuttals, I cannot lie

😂

Tandora · 11/08/2025 14:50

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/08/2025 14:48

Exactly, please let’s have your fave @Tandora - don’t you want to convince people?

There isn’t one paper that can prove to you all the reasons you are wrong about trans people! There are 10,000s of scientific papers about being trans, the overwhelming majority of which support the view that being trans is real, material , valid and worthy of care/ concern.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/08/2025 14:51

If I sneak into the gents because I want to avoid the queue for the ladies, am I “living as a man”? Then if I head to the doctors for my smear test am I “living as a woman” again? Does that make me “non binary”? 🤔

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/08/2025 14:52

Tandora · 11/08/2025 14:50

There isn’t one paper that can prove to you all the reasons you are wrong about trans people! There are 10,000s of scientific papers about being trans, the overwhelming majority of which support the view that being trans is real, material , valid and worthy of care/ concern.

You’d think you’d be able to volunteer a good example though, wouldn’t you?

borntobequiet · 11/08/2025 14:53

Tandora · 11/08/2025 14:48

Being trans does not kill: people can be trans and live healthy; happy and fulfilled lives.

There’s nothing wrong with being trans it’s just different to you. Being different to you is ok. We don’t all have to be the same.

No one says we should all be the same. However no one should be required to accommodate someone else’s philosophical belief in their identity to the detriment of themselves.

Tandora · 11/08/2025 14:54

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/08/2025 14:51

If I sneak into the gents because I want to avoid the queue for the ladies, am I “living as a man”? Then if I head to the doctors for my smear test am I “living as a woman” again? Does that make me “non binary”? 🤔

Again some basic lessons in logic required.

Eating apples is part of a healthy diet.

It doesn’t logically follow that if I eat apples my diet is healthy , or if I don’t eat applies my diet isn’t healthy,
or it is necessary for me to eat apples in order to have a healthy diet,

Tandora · 11/08/2025 14:54

borntobequiet · 11/08/2025 14:53

No one says we should all be the same. However no one should be required to accommodate someone else’s philosophical belief in their identity to the detriment of themselves.

Being trans is not a philosophical belief.

Tandora · 11/08/2025 14:55

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/08/2025 14:52

You’d think you’d be able to volunteer a good example though, wouldn’t you?

A good example of what?

Tandora · 11/08/2025 15:04

Tandora · 11/08/2025 14:54

Being trans is not a philosophical belief.

And it’s not detrimental to you to acknowledge and respect trans people just as they are (which is trans).

TheKeatingFive · 11/08/2025 15:05

Tandora · 11/08/2025 14:54

Being trans is not a philosophical belief.

What is it then?

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