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To think that, under the threat of "Let the war begin", there should be specific laws against male's entering female private spaces (and vice versa)

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 08/08/2025 14:46

After being told they will not be allowed to enter female toilets, changing rooms, clubs and other private sexed spaces, men have vowed to "fight" or be arrested “multiple times

https://archive.ph/tdkd0

"Let the war begin. Fingers crossed. You need to fight for all of us globally. It’s a war."

I think it is reasonable to have a specific crime for this sort of violation of rights and privacy, rather than Outraging public decency, Voyeurism, Exposure/ indecent exposure.

It seems clear that without firm dealing with, men are going to violate these spaces again and again.

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akkakk · 11/08/2025 15:07

Tandora · 11/08/2025 13:32

Someone earlier mentioned phantom limb pain. Say we discovered there were things we could do to eliminate that pain- treatments that corresponded to a reduction in pain/ distress. Do we simply refuse to treat it? Because they don’t have a limb and that would be reinforcing a false reality? And no one is obliged to validate someone else’s false reality . Do we condemn people with phantom limb pain to a lifetime of intense pain when this isn’t necessary?

Of course not. Their limb might not be there but their pain is real , so we treat it because we can,

Edited

my word - more and more sense! :)

in the example of phantom limb pain - of course you recognise and treat the pain - as you say, it is real and needs treating... but at no point does that include a pretence that the limb is still there - you don't pretend that that they are anything but an amputee and you deal with the full psychology of having lost a limb...

and the correlation to 'trans' is so direct - thank you for the clarity.
If a man feels that he is a woman - you treat the very real feelings (gender dysphoria) - but at no point do you pretend that he is actually a woman

treat the psychology - the 'mental health illness' - the confusion - the angst - the pain - the torment they might feel - treat it all as real and do everything you can to make them better - that is a compassionate caring society and is a route advocated by everyone GC I know...

but at no point do you treat them by developing a false hope / building a lie / enabling falsehoods by pretending that he is now she / a woman.

In the example of the phantom limb pain - to build up a false narrative that they really have two legs still will only magnify the grief and mental issues when they fully come to terms with its loss... so with gender dysphoria, to treat it by encouraging the dysphoria is only to build up bigger issues when at some point they have to face up to the fact that as a man they can not become a woman.

PestoHoliday · 11/08/2025 15:08

Tandora · 11/08/2025 15:04

And it’s not detrimental to you to acknowledge and respect trans people just as they are (which is trans).

It clearly is, as I enumerated in my previous post if "to acknowledge and respect trans people" by your definition includes giving them the right to enter single sex spaces and facilities intended for the opposite of their birth/actual sex.

It can endanger life, for example allowing a transwomon to play on a women's rugby team.

(I'm sure you'll have come across the "folded her up like a deckchair" comment from the rugby coach about the transwoman on his team tackling a female player)

Tandora · 11/08/2025 15:10

PestoHoliday · 11/08/2025 15:08

It clearly is, as I enumerated in my previous post if "to acknowledge and respect trans people" by your definition includes giving them the right to enter single sex spaces and facilities intended for the opposite of their birth/actual sex.

It can endanger life, for example allowing a transwomon to play on a women's rugby team.

(I'm sure you'll have come across the "folded her up like a deckchair" comment from the rugby coach about the transwoman on his team tackling a female player)

Accepting trans people for who they are does not “endanger life” my lord 🙄

ArabellaScott · 11/08/2025 15:14

akkakk · 11/08/2025 15:07

my word - more and more sense! :)

in the example of phantom limb pain - of course you recognise and treat the pain - as you say, it is real and needs treating... but at no point does that include a pretence that the limb is still there - you don't pretend that that they are anything but an amputee and you deal with the full psychology of having lost a limb...

and the correlation to 'trans' is so direct - thank you for the clarity.
If a man feels that he is a woman - you treat the very real feelings (gender dysphoria) - but at no point do you pretend that he is actually a woman

treat the psychology - the 'mental health illness' - the confusion - the angst - the pain - the torment they might feel - treat it all as real and do everything you can to make them better - that is a compassionate caring society and is a route advocated by everyone GC I know...

but at no point do you treat them by developing a false hope / building a lie / enabling falsehoods by pretending that he is now she / a woman.

In the example of the phantom limb pain - to build up a false narrative that they really have two legs still will only magnify the grief and mental issues when they fully come to terms with its loss... so with gender dysphoria, to treat it by encouraging the dysphoria is only to build up bigger issues when at some point they have to face up to the fact that as a man they can not become a woman.

We dont treat phantom limb pain with painkillers, I assume.

RedToothBrush · 11/08/2025 15:14

Tandora · 11/08/2025 14:48

Being trans does not kill: people can be trans and live healthy; happy and fulfilled lives.

There’s nothing wrong with being trans it’s just different to you. Being different to you is ok. We don’t all have to be the same.

I think you are (deliberately) missing my point.

Perhaps you should read Big Pharma by Ben Goldacre or the The Patient Paradox by Margaret McCartney to read, at length, why we shouldnt just read medical studies and accept them but you should also understand the politics of medicine and how there are numerous interest groups which try to influence and ideologicalise medicine.

If all medical studies contained no bias and contained no flaws then the population would be significantly more healthy than it is.

My point here about the smoking industry was how they were able to suppress and discredit any information including medical studies which showed smoking in a light that was not great.

My point actually has fuck all to do with whether trans people die or not. But you know this.

It's fascinating how the studies coming out now which are showing issues relating to trans are being just so heavily smeared when they say something that activists don't like.

It's almost as if they don't want evidence based medicine and science. You only have to look at WPATH for a millisecond to work that gem out.

Tandora · 11/08/2025 15:14

akkakk · 11/08/2025 15:07

my word - more and more sense! :)

in the example of phantom limb pain - of course you recognise and treat the pain - as you say, it is real and needs treating... but at no point does that include a pretence that the limb is still there - you don't pretend that that they are anything but an amputee and you deal with the full psychology of having lost a limb...

and the correlation to 'trans' is so direct - thank you for the clarity.
If a man feels that he is a woman - you treat the very real feelings (gender dysphoria) - but at no point do you pretend that he is actually a woman

treat the psychology - the 'mental health illness' - the confusion - the angst - the pain - the torment they might feel - treat it all as real and do everything you can to make them better - that is a compassionate caring society and is a route advocated by everyone GC I know...

but at no point do you treat them by developing a false hope / building a lie / enabling falsehoods by pretending that he is now she / a woman.

In the example of the phantom limb pain - to build up a false narrative that they really have two legs still will only magnify the grief and mental issues when they fully come to terms with its loss... so with gender dysphoria, to treat it by encouraging the dysphoria is only to build up bigger issues when at some point they have to face up to the fact that as a man they can not become a woman.

but at no point does that include a pretence that the limb is still there - you don't pretend that that they are anything but an amputee and you deal with the full psychology of having lost a limb…

it could absolutely include constructing a new limb- providing hormonal treatments, treating them as people with two limbs.

but at no point do you treat them by developing a false hope / building a lie / enabling falsehoods by pretending that he is now she / a woman.

It’s not building false hope to enable a trans person to socially and medically transition.

treat the psychology - the 'mental health illness' - the confusion - the angst - the pain - the torment they might feel - treat it all as real and do everything you can to make them better - that is a compassionate caring society and is a route advocated by everyone GC I know...

but it’s not. You don’t get it. The GC position is that transness is a mental health condition that can be cured through persuading people to accept their natal sex role. It’s not and it can’t. This simply amplifies distress. The cure is to allow trans people to live their reality. Because their reality isn’t actually “wrong” or harmful. It’s just different.

ArabellaScott · 11/08/2025 15:17

The GC position is that transness is a mental health condition that can be cured through persuading people to accept their natal sex role.

Where have you got this from? Dysphoria may be eased with mental health support. Transness isn't a mental health condition, it's a condition related to sexual health.

https://icd.who.int/browse/2025-01/mms/en#577470983

Tandora · 11/08/2025 15:17

ArabellaScott · 11/08/2025 15:14

We dont treat phantom limb pain with painkillers, I assume.

Painkillers are often used to treat phantom limb pain:

PestoHoliday · 11/08/2025 15:18

Tandora · 11/08/2025 15:10

Accepting trans people for who they are does not “endanger life” my lord 🙄

It does if that includes saying they can play contact sports against women.

Like Falling Fox shattering a woman's eye socket before the MMA fight was stopped. Or the Aussie rules player who shattered a player's leg and was sent off before more damage could occur. Or the aforementioned rugby player. All those could have easier endangered the life of the woman involved because of the size and strength discrepancies.

It was only the referee stopping it that prevented further injury. A blow to the head from a man can easily kill a woman, whether in rugby or boxing, MMA fighting or just violence.

ArabellaScott · 11/08/2025 15:18

And one must exclude paraphiliac disorders before diagnosing gender incongruence.

https://icd.who.int/browse/2025-01/mms/en#2110604642

6D30 Exhibitionistic Disorder
6D31 Voyeuristic Disorder
6D32 Pedophilic Disorder
6D33 Coercive Sexual Sadism Disorder
6D34 Frotteuristic Disorder
6D35 Other Paraphilic Disorder Involving Non-Consenting Individuals

Tandora · 11/08/2025 15:21

ArabellaScott · 11/08/2025 15:17

The GC position is that transness is a mental health condition that can be cured through persuading people to accept their natal sex role.

Where have you got this from? Dysphoria may be eased with mental health support. Transness isn't a mental health condition, it's a condition related to sexual health.

https://icd.who.int/browse/2025-01/mms/en#577470983

That link doesn’t work for me so can’t see what you are pointing at:

The main thing that alleviates dysphoria is social and medical transition. Dysphoria may be slightly helped with mental health support, but that “support” absolutely does not include trying to persuade people to accept their natal sex role - or realise they are actually wrong or just gay or something (as the GC position holds)

ArabellaScott · 11/08/2025 15:24

Tandora · 11/08/2025 15:17

Painkillers are often used to treat phantom limb pain:

How interesting.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6472447/

But it seems this treatment may be despite a lack of evidence of its efficacity. Partly because the condition of PLP is so rare.

'There are currently no standard guidelines in the pharmacologic management of phantom limb pain, and therefore a review of all available literature is warranted.'

'While the evidence regarding effective treatment in PLP is weak at this stage, pharmacologic interventions such as morphine, gabapentin, ketamine, and amitriptyline are worth considering as treatment given the potential severity of PLP in people with limb loss'

BundleBoogie · 11/08/2025 15:26

RedToothBrush · 11/08/2025 14:17

Ok let's go to what is not said and often isn't allowed to be said.

If we accept it's a condition then let's examine that.

First of all the Cass Report pointed out that it was a multi-cohort who identified as trans for a multitude of reasons.

However there's been this weird desire for so many, including academics, to lump them altogether into one group rather than discuss whether there is a number of different things going on.

So let's start with one of the elephants on the room.

Why did the T attach a condition to the LGB?

Are we suggesting that the LGB are 'a condition'? Cos that's pretty offensive now isn't it.

And it's always be really quite bizarre why the T attached itself originally to the LGB. Until you start examining the history and how historically it was virtually only men who transitioned unusually in middle age. We also know that in the past, police would have actively noted cross dressing as a potential red flag for sexually motivated crimes because it was so common. We can't get away from this point about it often being sexually driven - ESPECIALLY because the T attached itself to sexualities and emphasises that it's 'just like being gay'.

There was this need to turn the LGB into an identity rather than a sexuality as part of this legitimisation process. But many LGB people don't see it as an identity, just their sexuality. Their identity is lots of other things and they just happen to be homosexual or bisexual. It's almost as if the T wanted to sanitise being a sexuality by saying it was an identity.

Moving on from this, we also have a different group who it's very firmly about dislike of their body. We have lots of forms of body dsymorphia - anorexia is one. So why on earth is a condition from the same family as anorexia tacking itself onto the LGB. It seems actively very odd. More than that treatments for body dsymorphia have been very much the opposite - you don't affirm issues relating to disgust with your body in any other scenarios as it makes the issue worse. There is a very firm movement to deny talking therapies too - but we see resistance to treatment for anorexia too and that can result in being sectioned. So this is very odd. And then we get the stuff about how people with this condition should be making all the decisions and then telling doctors!

Moving on from this, we see clear patterns relating to trauma, particularly sexual trauma. If it's a naturally occurring phenomenon which is innate, what the hell is the explanation of this? Trauma is a product of nurture not nature. And yet we are asked to put the T alongside the LGB. Are we saying that the LG or the B are also strongly related to trauma? There's absolutely no parallel evidence for this. Which once again is pretty offensive when you think about it.

Moving on from that we have this new wave of young people coming out as trans. Except theres really high rates of homosexuality in this group. And we are also seeing the young lesbian population shrinking. This is odd. Except this is a generation which grew up with marketing pink for girls and blue for boys to a degree we never had as children. And never had to deal with the same levels of pornification as the current youth. And we have a middle aged cohort of women who say they felt similar in their teens and twenties due to social pressure but are glad they never transitioned because they are happy now. This group are routinely ignored as 'ignorant' at best but there's a whole range abusive terms thrown at them and they are dismissed as having an inadequate 'lived experience' whilst we simultaneously MUST ABSOLUTELY UNCONDITIONALLY listen to their male peers who DID transition, but not in their youth - only once they'd reproduced and we're in middle age. There's a massive cognitive dissonance here and dare I say it, clear sexism.

Then there's the cult like trends. Detransitioners are ostracised and any dissent can led to shunning. From people within the same community and who supposedly have the same condition. This is not a naturally occurring thing. This is purely about condition and we see these extreme lengths to control the narrative.

Which brings us back to all these scholarly articles. And asking a pretty big question. How good in quality are they? And a really big question - would people, use biased studies simply to show the results they wanted for ideological reasons?

Now we know this is a huge issue in medicine. Particularly around ANY medicine that relates to sex - women's health is ideologically dominated in a way mens doesn't tend to be. There are huge numbers of studies relating to 'whats best, section or vb' which are debunked. WHO got caught using one study to say that a planned CS was more dangerous than a planned VB when the actual data in that particular study showed the exact opposite!

Also many of these studies are dated now - and never took data relating to females. Because there pretty much were any. That's interesting in its own right. Especially when these studies are used to advocate for transition treatment for females. This is a pretty damn big flaw. As we start to get data based on a female cohort we are seeing different information emerging.

So I might propose that this might be an area of medicine which might be ideologically biased deliberately in favour male sexualities and out of homophobia.

And that actually the whole argument that being transgender is deeply flawed on a HUGE number of levels ESPECIALLY when tacked onto LGB interests and groups.

Perversely when you start to break it down the homophobia, the sexism, the activism led by the cohort who display some worrying trends about sexualisation, the frequent anti-science and anti safeguarding narratives, the extreme attempts to control the narative and the attempts to monolith being transgender into a singluar group start to look not like 'just like being gay' but something much more sinister that ignores the best interests of a huge number of particularly vulnerable young people and children.

It is troubling on a huge number of levels.

The argument doesnt stack up.

An excellent post. The clarity shines through in contrast to ever muddying waters being stirred up elsewhere on this thread.

akkakk · 11/08/2025 15:27

Tandora · 11/08/2025 15:10

Accepting trans people for who they are does not “endanger life” my lord 🙄

It absolutely does - because as has been clearly seen - to validate the deceits and lies there has been a huge movement to push more an more into 'you are trans' - to accelerate processes- to medicalise what might be no more than a child enjoying being themselves - being their shape of girl or boy and dressing how they want / taking part in the activities they enjoy...

"oh you must be a girl" the boy is told and rushed off to have bits chopped off / given hormones they don't need / have their future sex life and health absolutely wrecked

it is the biggest child abuse scandal we have seen for centuries - all to validate some men (primarily) who for one of many reasons needed society to validate them in the statement that they could change sex...

PestoHoliday · 11/08/2025 15:28

Because their reality isn’t actually “wrong” or harmful. It’s just different.

Their self perception may be different.

Their "reality" isn't reality, it is wrong. Demonstrably wrong. A cheeky swab will prove it. Sex cannot change. No matter how strongly someone may perceive themselves to be the opposite sex, no matter how much they wish it were true.

Wishing it doesn't make it so. We cannot bend material reality to our desires. People who think they can are mentally ill or sociopaths.

ArabellaScott · 11/08/2025 15:28

Tandora · 11/08/2025 15:21

That link doesn’t work for me so can’t see what you are pointing at:

The main thing that alleviates dysphoria is social and medical transition. Dysphoria may be slightly helped with mental health support, but that “support” absolutely does not include trying to persuade people to accept their natal sex role - or realise they are actually wrong or just gay or something (as the GC position holds)

Edited

It's the ICD 11, I thought you'd be conversant with it.

See number 17. 'Conditions related to sexual health'. Gender incongruence is in the drop down list. I'll copy paste for you:

'Gender incongruence

Foundation URI: http://id.who.int/icd/entity/411470068

Description

Gender incongruence is characterised by a marked and persistent incongruence between an individual’s experienced gender and the assigned sex. Gender variant behaviour and preferences alone are not a basis for assigning the diagnoses in this group.

Exclusions

Paraphilic disorders(6D30-6D3Z)'

ArabellaScott · 11/08/2025 15:30

As for the effective treatment of 'gender incongruence' - we will see what the Levy review concludes.

ArabellaScott · 11/08/2025 15:33

'NHS England’s review of adult services will assess not only the quality (i.e. effectiveness, safety, and patient experience) and stability of each service, but also whether the existing service model is still appropriate for the patients it is caring for. The programme of reviews will be led by Dr David Levy, and will carefully consider experiences, feedback and outcomes from clinicians and patients, past and present. The first onsite visits are scheduled to commence in September 2024.
Dr Levy will be supported by a panel of expert clinicians, patients and other key stakeholders, including representatives from the CQC, Royal Colleges and professional bodies. The findings of this review will inform an updated adult gender service specification (non-surgical interventions) which will then be subject to engagement and public consultation.'

https://www.england.nhs.uk/long-read/nhs-england-update-on-work-to-transform-gender-identity-services/

NHS England » NHS England update on work to transform gender identity services

NHS England » NHS England update on work to transform gender identity services

https://www.england.nhs.uk/long-read/nhs-england-update-on-work-to-transform-gender-identity-services

Tandora · 11/08/2025 15:34

PestoHoliday · 11/08/2025 15:28

Because their reality isn’t actually “wrong” or harmful. It’s just different.

Their self perception may be different.

Their "reality" isn't reality, it is wrong. Demonstrably wrong. A cheeky swab will prove it. Sex cannot change. No matter how strongly someone may perceive themselves to be the opposite sex, no matter how much they wish it were true.

Wishing it doesn't make it so. We cannot bend material reality to our desires. People who think they can are mentally ill or sociopaths.

All a “cheeky swab” does is prove your chromosomes.

Tandora · 11/08/2025 15:35

ArabellaScott · 11/08/2025 15:28

It's the ICD 11, I thought you'd be conversant with it.

See number 17. 'Conditions related to sexual health'. Gender incongruence is in the drop down list. I'll copy paste for you:

'Gender incongruence

Foundation URI: http://id.who.int/icd/entity/411470068

Description

Gender incongruence is characterised by a marked and persistent incongruence between an individual’s experienced gender and the assigned sex. Gender variant behaviour and preferences alone are not a basis for assigning the diagnoses in this group.

Exclusions

Paraphilic disorders(6D30-6D3Z)'

Yes? I agree with that. It’s exactly the argument I was having with a pp earlier when she was trying to say being trans is a mental illness.

ArabellaScott · 11/08/2025 15:37

Tandora · 11/08/2025 15:35

Yes? I agree with that. It’s exactly the argument I was having with a pp earlier when she was trying to say being trans is a mental illness.

Steady on, Tandora. You'll be finding common ground with me next. 😊

akkakk · 11/08/2025 15:40

Tandora · 11/08/2025 15:14

but at no point does that include a pretence that the limb is still there - you don't pretend that that they are anything but an amputee and you deal with the full psychology of having lost a limb…

it could absolutely include constructing a new limb- providing hormonal treatments, treating them as people with two limbs.

but at no point do you treat them by developing a false hope / building a lie / enabling falsehoods by pretending that he is now she / a woman.

It’s not building false hope to enable a trans person to socially and medically transition.

treat the psychology - the 'mental health illness' - the confusion - the angst - the pain - the torment they might feel - treat it all as real and do everything you can to make them better - that is a compassionate caring society and is a route advocated by everyone GC I know...

but it’s not. You don’t get it. The GC position is that transness is a mental health condition that can be cured through persuading people to accept their natal sex role. It’s not and it can’t. This simply amplifies distress. The cure is to allow trans people to live their reality. Because their reality isn’t actually “wrong” or harmful. It’s just different.

Edited

it could absolutely include constructing a new limb- providing hormonal treatments, treating them as people with two limbs.

What utter medical nonsense - at no point does any competent medic pretend that such a patient has two original / normal / fully functioning limbs - to do so would have them struck off - even if you gave such a patient a false limb, to pretend that they have two normal limbs would be to ignore all the ways in which the patient needs to care for their stump and manage the false leg - that would be hugely detrimental to their future health.

It’s not building false hope to enable a trans person to socially and medically transition.

There is no such thing as 'socially transitioning':

  • there is no such thing as 'living as a woman' for a man to copy - the only way of defining 'living as a woman' is to start as a woman and then however you choose to live is 'living as a woman' - otherwise you have a reductionist approach that packages a woman as being anyone in a skirt, blouse and high heels - on that basis you could put a giraffe in that outfit and call it a woman!
  • for any man who adopts the habits / visual living pattern / appearance of a woman - they don't socially transition - they simply expand what it means to be a man - they simply become a man in a skirt - not a woman

There is no such thing as 'medical transitioning'

  • take a man and chop off his bits - you simple end up with a man with no bits - not a woman
  • create new holes and you have a man with a new hole
  • take a woman and sew a tube of flesh to the crotch and you have a woman with a dangly tube of flesh, not a man
  • give a man as many hormones as you wish and they can never have a period / menopause / properly breast feed (ignoring chemically induced secretions) / etc.

All you do with either approach is to further screw up the person...

no - gender dysphoria is a mental health illness...
'trans' can not exist as I have demonstrated many times before - it can only exist if actual movement socially or medically from man to woman (or vv) is possible - neither is possible, so 'trans' is not possible. But that does not negate that some have gender dysphoria - and to treat that you don't start by enabling it - that would be to take an anorexic and to help them lose weight!

you are right though we need to support people to live their reality - if born a man, their reality is that they will always be a man - nothing else is possible, so helping them to live their reality is exactly the right approach.

Tandora · 11/08/2025 15:44

ArabellaScott · 11/08/2025 15:37

Steady on, Tandora. You'll be finding common ground with me next. 😊

😆. That would be lovely and very welcome

Tandora · 11/08/2025 15:49

akkakk · 11/08/2025 15:40

it could absolutely include constructing a new limb- providing hormonal treatments, treating them as people with two limbs.

What utter medical nonsense - at no point does any competent medic pretend that such a patient has two original / normal / fully functioning limbs - to do so would have them struck off - even if you gave such a patient a false limb, to pretend that they have two normal limbs would be to ignore all the ways in which the patient needs to care for their stump and manage the false leg - that would be hugely detrimental to their future health.

It’s not building false hope to enable a trans person to socially and medically transition.

There is no such thing as 'socially transitioning':

  • there is no such thing as 'living as a woman' for a man to copy - the only way of defining 'living as a woman' is to start as a woman and then however you choose to live is 'living as a woman' - otherwise you have a reductionist approach that packages a woman as being anyone in a skirt, blouse and high heels - on that basis you could put a giraffe in that outfit and call it a woman!
  • for any man who adopts the habits / visual living pattern / appearance of a woman - they don't socially transition - they simply expand what it means to be a man - they simply become a man in a skirt - not a woman

There is no such thing as 'medical transitioning'

  • take a man and chop off his bits - you simple end up with a man with no bits - not a woman
  • create new holes and you have a man with a new hole
  • take a woman and sew a tube of flesh to the crotch and you have a woman with a dangly tube of flesh, not a man
  • give a man as many hormones as you wish and they can never have a period / menopause / properly breast feed (ignoring chemically induced secretions) / etc.

All you do with either approach is to further screw up the person...

no - gender dysphoria is a mental health illness...
'trans' can not exist as I have demonstrated many times before - it can only exist if actual movement socially or medically from man to woman (or vv) is possible - neither is possible, so 'trans' is not possible. But that does not negate that some have gender dysphoria - and to treat that you don't start by enabling it - that would be to take an anorexic and to help them lose weight!

you are right though we need to support people to live their reality - if born a man, their reality is that they will always be a man - nothing else is possible, so helping them to live their reality is exactly the right approach.

What utter medical nonsense - at no point does any competent medic pretend that such a patient has two original / normal / fully functioning limbs -

im not suggesting that. And in exactly the same way, no competent medic denies that trans women were assigned male at birth, or that they may have XY chromosomes etc. .

We can acknowledge those things, and also affirm the reality of trans experience including through facilitating social and medical transition,

Social transition involves changing names, pronouns, participating in society as a woman etc. of course this is possible, otherwise you wouldn’t be so wound up about trying to prevent it.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/08/2025 15:49

Tandora · 11/08/2025 14:55

A good example of what?

A good article or study that proves the things you are claiming. It’s not difficult with this abundance of evidence, surely?

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