To think that, under the threat of "Let the war begin", there should be specific laws against male's entering female private spaces (and vice versa)

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After being told they will not be allowed to enter female toilets, changing rooms, clubs and other private sexed spaces, men have vowed to "fight" or be arrested “multiple times”

https://archive.ph/tdkd0

"Let the war begin. Fingers crossed. You need to fight for all of us globally. It’s a war."

I think it is reasonable to have a specific crime for this sort of violation of rights and privacy, rather than Outraging public decency, Voyeurism, Exposure/ indecent exposure.

It seems clear that without firm dealing with, men are going to violate these spaces again and again.

I am so fucking sick of men in dresses making absolutely everything about them, and their male aggression and dominance poisoning every woman-centred, woman-only, aspect of life. Fucking sick of it

The thread was started about an article from a news outlet which was about a group of activists and their reaction to the news that the final EHRC guidance is, as the EHRC warned, not going to be significantly different from the interim notice they issued quickly after the SC judgement.

As people have pointed out, women’s rights campaigners are not the ones talking about war or having violent reactions. And frankly one more article is not going to make much difference considering most days there is content posted that seeks to intimidate and harm women’s rights campaigners. I think anyone saying this article and that single post does that is over stretching or has not noticed what has been happening for years and years.

But the article is primarily about the current and coming campaigning and legal actions from those who disagree with the EHRC.

There is an analogy, and imo the antidote is the same:

Hang on now!!! My friend’s brother believed the same thing AND gathered disciples from the internet and all. God must be getting around a lot these days having numerous sons active at once!

I understand that, but being trans is not the same as/ does not make someone psychotic.
This is lack of understanding about what being trans is / prejudice.

And I don’t say that to try to shame or judge , but simply to state what is true.

People used to believe being gay was a mental illness. We now know much better. So it is the same with being trans.

There is no equivalence between being attracted to the same sex and having a philosophical belief about your identity that doesn’t reflect material reality.

Also, the demands from those who are same sex attracted do not negatively impact on any other group’s rights. The same cannot be said for a group of male people who demand access to female single sex provisions.

Safeguarding comes before hurt feelings. Men need to accept that.

Being trans is not a “philosophical belief”, and there is a profound lack of understanding concerning the “material reality” of transness.

Homophobia was/ is rooted in exactly the same type of fear/ prejudice: moral panic about how society will change as a result of recognising this form of minority diversity.

Hey, d’you know what, I’m tired of this adulting shit. I ‘understand myself to be’ a teenage girl, not a grown woman, so I’m going to insist on a place in Year 9 at my local secondary school. What’s age, hey?

What’s that you say? No I’m not mentally ill to think I’m a child not an adult, that’s old school thinking, how very dare you? Dontcha know it’s about how I feel. There are no stable categories anymore because what about ME?!?

Or something like that. Just insert ‘transwoman’ for man and hey presto, millions of years of evolutionary biology are rewritten for the spinning skirts.

This is a harmful statement that a) depicts trans people as a threat, and b) minimises/ degrades/ belittles transness.
Being trans is not trivial; it’s not about “hurt feelings”; it’s a core/ fundamental aspect of a person’s humanity.
Trans people are not a threat/ danger to women, children or society.

Women's rights aren't yours to give away. We're still using them. We said 'no', the adult thing to do is respect that.

This is not equivalent to being trans. This is misunderstanding and prejudice.

Nobody is giving women’s rights away.

Well Trump is ofc- but that’s an entirely different conversation.

And yet here you are, arguing that another group can identify into using them.

I notice the previous claimants of ‘we just want everyone to be respected’ have gone full mask off and what they really mean is that they want all men’s demands to be respected without question immediately.

It’s a shame these people can’t listen to women’s wants and needs in the same way they hear men’s.

“Laws against specific offences have been added to the Sexual Offences Act in recent years - upskirting being one example. So it's possible that a law could be written for men who intend to 'fight' women and break the law in this way.”

I think the debate may end up having to be had. If people cannot be trusted to not enter single sex spaces for the other sex when they don’t have a valid reason to be there, then what choice does society have?

The number of people who have stated they will simply ignore the law and guidance on this is significant. If in the coming years this has not changed, then solutions to having people respect the law on single sex spaces may need to be explored.

But it is remarkable how prevalent it is that a group of male people persist in telling the world that they don’t just not respect female people’s needs, but they don’t respect the law either.

Operation: Let them speak.

If Trump declared he was a woman tomorrow, you and other posters would be welcoming him into women’s spaces. See the problem yet?

No Trump is not a trans woman. If he were he would not be Trump.

Tell that to Stefonknee Wolscht

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/transgender-father-stefonknee-wolscht-who-left-family-to-be-a-sixyearold-girl-uses-child-s-play-to-escape-adult-life-a6775051.html

In assessing safeguarding risk to enact robust safeguarding policy, all male people are to be considered to be the same risk as a general starting point.

There should never be any sub group of male people who receive special treatment by way of any exceptions when it comes to safeguarding female people.

nope.

what I mean is I want trans people to be respected and accepted for who they are. Because being trans is real, legitimate and a-ok

trans is not a philosophical belief

and also

a transwoman understands themself to be female

I understand myself to be Whitney Houston when I’m singing in the shower, but that record deal still hasn’t materialised.

I’m fed up of not being able to afford couture, so I’m going to “understand” myself to be a millionaire, stroll into Dior and get them to knock me up a frock or two.

Payment? How intolerant they are of how I understand myself to be!

Indeed.

If having a transgender identity is not a philosophical belief (and one that doesn’t reflect material reality), what are the biological or neurological markers?

The question never gets answered, it is always evaded.